GameAnalyser said:
@Nightsurge
Competition: PS3 is still competing close and no where near failure. All competitors posted losses for current fiscal year.
Yeah, but Sony posted $1+ Billion, MS posted just 31 million in the E&D but as a company were still positive and profited, and as far as I know Nintendo profited as well.
(In this response u try to project losses for Sony apart from games divison...not fair from ur side. Sony sold 10.06 million PlayStation 3 machines for the fiscal year through March, up10 percent from the previous year and are expecting to sell 13-15 mn consoles by April 2010. Sony already have begun massive restructuring to save billions thru Electronics division after posting first huge loss in 14 years.)
How is this not fair? The Sony games division also showed losses, and more so than the 360's E&D division. As a whole the Sony corp. is fairing much worse and posted huge losses compared to Nintendo and Microsoft. Their maximum expectations for the next year are 13 million, not 13-15 million. Oh and to top it off, their last 3 projections were never made and constantly lowered so I wouldn't expect to see 13 million PS3's sold this year. Restructuring is a first step, but it alone will not save them billions as you so claim.
Now Prices: it's still selling close to 360's at double it's price. Now that's an imminent threat to 360.
Selling 30+ thousand less per week at roughly $110 (average sale price of 360 is $290) more is no where near a threat and is actually quite normal. If it were within 15 thousand that would be a threat. $110 more is not double the price, either... Sorry to burst your bubble.
(In this respone u imply that ps3 at 400 $ is selling 30K less weekly, Isn't it? Don't u see that most of the weekly sales for PS3 are very close with 25K-30K less in America region than rest at few weeks. According to me owing to the legacy of the PS brand and poor reputation about the reliability of 360 the first three quarters are always in favour of PS3(2007,2008 worked) where Q4 periods lure people who are less brand concious and more price-value concious to buy consoles for themselves/gift like Wii and Arcade 360's. No problem for having burst my bubble as the price wasn't exactly double with ur average 360 sale price of 290$. Shouldn't it be average high sale price for Q1-Q3 phase taking into account the PRO/Elite?
The below link wud be a little bit too much to conceive in one look...well it's a H/W comparison chart for both consoles from March 2007 to recent. U can take month by month and check out for urself. It's bingo time for 360 during this holiday too if ps3 price-cut doesn't turn up and once it shows up then 2010 lead for PS3 wud be unassailable and permanent.)
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=------&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&start=39166&end=39943
So in other words, after all this jibberish you spoke, you believe the PS3 after a price-cut is unstoppable. How narrow minded and short sighted you are. So the PS3 can change the momentum but there is nothing MS can do to stop it? Hahahahaha, just goes to show how pathetic of an "analyzer" you are. You can't think of all the possibilities.
Technology: Can MGS4 ever come on 360? The Answer to the question defines this factor. Now I don't need to mention about RSX, Cell thing , the BR stuff and format war.. which means PS3 still has got the potential to carry the console way ahead into future.
Ok, um... Yes MGS4 "could" come on 360 if Konami wanted. All it takes is a different programming approach and some actual compression of data. As to the RSX, it's worse than the 360's GPU and came out a year later.... that's just aweful. The Cell is only slightly better than the 360's CPU when the entire system and bottlenecks are taken account of. What BR stuff and the format war? The format war is over, but the 360 never was involved. It uses DVD's for games, not HD-DVD. The Add-on was just an attempt to slow Blu-Ray's progress and hurt it from getting a solid grip on the market.
(In this response I see that u wished MGS4 coming on 360 but for absence of Blue-Ray Drive and Hideo Kojima's strict denial. The main problem being that DVD is still being used for games which will limit data or future Game content. Fanboys kept bragging about the same regarding different programming approach thru ages in all forums but in vain. 360 just lacks the technology its needs to deliver such games. And try to convince me that RSX is a worser GPU by not merely stating.)
The 360 does not lack any technology. MGS4, Killzone 2, Uncharted, ANY PS3 game can be done on the 360 and vice versa. If you actually believe the "only possible by the Cell or PS3" BS then you are so incredibly gullible. All the games would need is a team developing it for the 360 using a 360 based engine, different programming techniques, etc. Oh and I wasn't saying MGS4 WOULD be coming out, I said it "could". Oh and the RSX is a far worse GPU. It is based off of the 7800GTX while the 360's GPU is based off of the 2900XT.
The PS3 GPU is worse in almost every category:
http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=19237
So in America this principle can't be defied, once 3rd party developers harness the Cell's potential to produce something unique matching high terms of quality..the S/W nos will increase at rapid pace from current 6% decline. H/W sales will slowly rise with current price too. 360 will adhere to bundle schemes to occupy depleting retail space to increase the gap margin. By taking Japan as the perfect example in contrast to as what is in America it will be discontinued their first. And as i mentioned earlier the ps3 price-cut is very much eagerly awaited. It shud occur when Sony keeps managing to slowly increase the sales rate equally across all regions. At that point they can take the retail space by storm with more consumers confident on buying one when price cut of 100$ is announced.
I don't even know where to begin. This was all complete speculation and BS. Sony can't afford a price cut. They've said a milllion times they are focusing on profitability. A price cut can be eagerly awaited all it wants but that won't make it come. Also, if they do risk a price cut, it will more than likely be just $50 and if that has any affect at all, MS will drop the price and take back any and all momentum. Since when does a lower price increase consumer confidence? Oh and the whole "developers harness the Cell's potential" crap? The PS3 is on it's 3rd year. Developers have had ages to use the Cell and this is what we have so far. Killzone 2 was Sony's best attempt so far in using the Cell and even in that lies some tricks as to why it "appears" to look so good. The truth is harnessing the Cell won't make games "better" or more enjoyable. That depends on the content, not the power used.
(To this response as I know where to begin, Sony although can't afford a price-cut they will risk one eventually on Q4 by 100$(not 50) to add momentum and MS will cut by 50$ to counter, cos they can't hurt themselves further by doing another 100$, it cud signal early exit for the console. So the consumer confidence is boosted with lower priced better H/W. If the PS3 Cell is bound to work tricks why not 360 do somethin similar so that their exclusives appear as good. KillZone 2 is a successor to MGS4, and unlike halo 3 or Gears 2 it's referred to as even the revamped lacklustre Killzone 1 FPS, which lured many non fans owing to its splendid gfx. Now future games shall have content too to benifit.
So there was no speculation or BS .)
This entire thing was speculation and BS. You are claiming events to happen with no sound reasoning. AKA speculation!
So it's pretty tough days ahead for 360, a counter action can be in the form of bundle schemes or even xbox next...but not until they had drained out the unlikely maximum "profit" out just as they put it. By that time MS wud've dropped the idea of a new console.
Actually, it's pretty bright days ahead for the 360 considering everything you've just said I've made undeniable arguments against. It's actually looking much rougher for the PS3 these days ahead. The counter actions will be price drops, bundles, whatever. It will not be the next Xbox until at least 2012. I don't know where you are getting this "as they put it" quote, but MS is much more likely than Sony to develop a new console at this point.
( So Let there be bright days ahead for 360 when they further cut their price...mite be as close as even giving away consoles for free too and rougher days for PS3 in the sense that their console isn't free. Microsoft don't post all the hideous losses they have since they are the undisputed S/W giant with assets and presume to be profitable in all ventures. And Yeah MS is much more likely than Sony to discontinue and develop a new console at a much earlier point...)
Wow, way to be a fanboy. Basically, to put this bluntly, you are wrong. The PS3 will be discontinued first, and Sony is less likely to release a new console than MS. MS already stated the lifetime of the 360 will be one day longer than that of the PS3, and I've already explained to you very simply that consumers and retailers determine who gets discontinued, which the PS3 would be first to go at the launch of the new generation.
Well I do love getting counter pawned by someone who thinks that the market strategy and ethics run perfectly in one's mind than others who are fools and don't understand nothing.
Dood we can continue this debate as long as u wish.
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