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Megadude on 12 May 2009
nightsurge said:
Megadude said:
X-Box 360 is dominating America, but most of those sales come from "fly over" states and rural farm towns. Here in NYC for example, games like the MLB the Show have PS3 winning the HD console war easy. We all know that if Sony holds down key areas like major citys and Japan who are trend setters, then PS3 will be the more wanted item, while the 360's "walmart darling" bargain bin image could devastate the 360's chances for long term viability.

Oh really?  Here in Indianapolis and every major city I've seen, the Xbox 360 is still dominating in almost every single game.

Sure major cities have a chance of buying the more expensive stuff because that is a bigger part of their lifestyle and their wages are generally higher than other parts of the US.  That doesn't change the fact that apparently the 360 still has majority favor.

And it's funny that you mention the Xbox as being "'walmart darling' bargain bin image" and state that this could devastate it, when the whole concept of Wal-Mart is to sell things at the lowest price.  Oh and you know how there are 200 million Wal-Mart shoppers?  Yeah, not exactly a bad thing for the 360 to be favored by Wal-Mart.

 

 

But rural towns don't set the trends, anything big you see in a big city, the rest of the country follows.



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nightsurge on 12 May 2009
Megadude said:
nightsurge said:
Megadude said:
X-Box 360 is dominating America, but most of those sales come from "fly over" states and rural farm towns. Here in NYC for example, games like the MLB the Show have PS3 winning the HD console war easy. We all know that if Sony holds down key areas like major citys and Japan who are trend setters, then PS3 will be the more wanted item, while the 360's "walmart darling" bargain bin image could devastate the 360's chances for long term viability.

Oh really?  Here in Indianapolis and every major city I've seen, the Xbox 360 is still dominating in almost every single game.

Sure major cities have a chance of buying the more expensive stuff because that is a bigger part of their lifestyle and their wages are generally higher than other parts of the US.  That doesn't change the fact that apparently the 360 still has majority favor.

And it's funny that you mention the Xbox as being "'walmart darling' bargain bin image" and state that this could devastate it, when the whole concept of Wal-Mart is to sell things at the lowest price.  Oh and you know how there are 200 million Wal-Mart shoppers?  Yeah, not exactly a bad thing for the 360 to be favored by Wal-Mart.

 

 

But rural towns don't set the trends, anything big you see in a big city, the rest of the country follows.

Unfortunately the PS3 doesn't set any trends either.  Sorry bub but the 360 is still the favorite of the nation in big and small cities.  Also it dominates the media which is worldwide.  All the celebrities talk about their 360 and all the TV shows are sponsored by the 360..... well not all, but a lot more than the PS3.

 



nightsurge on 12 May 2009
Alic0004 said:
nightsurge said:
Alic0004 said:

Well, the thread title implied something much more specific than what he said in his post. I'm not sure I understand where you disagree with me, except... emotionally?

I disagree with your attempt to give Squilliam some unfavorable reputation and to label this as some flame bait thread.

You also stated he offered no data or other proof related to the topic, but he did.

 

 

   So, do we disagree now?  Cause I think maybe you call people fanboys when you're mad :)

 

   And by the way, what's up with your signature?  I don't know MikeB, but I followed one of the links from someone's sig and it brought me to a forum which didn't really make him sound like some kind of Sony agent at all.  It sounded like a couple of people arguing on a forum and accusing eachother of being banned from other forums a lot.  Does that really constitute a witch hunt like this, where a bunch of people on the forums here all post extremely negative things about one person in their signatures?

 

    I guess what I'm asking is, can you prove it?  (Sometimes I wonder about these things, can you blame me?)

I'm not mad.  I typically label anyone who immediately tries to stir the flames and discredit another member without understanding him, a fanboy.

He offered his proof or arguments using the past example of the Gamecube being discontinued first and being the lowest seller.

It is a perfectly plausible possibility.

As to the MikeB thing, you have to read all his threads to know why we include a disclaimer for him.  He will bring any topic off track to give a bit of "Amiga and PS3 domination talk".  He also will produce claims or arguments based on what he "thinks" is right.  Then when he has been proven wrong, he ignores it and goes off to another thread to spread the same misinformation around.  We don't hate him for who he favors or who he dislikes.  We don't hate him at all and this isn't a witch hunt.  It is merely something that everyone should know because the majority of people reading his threads will not have the technical background necessary to actually know he is wrong and so he gets away with deceiving many people.  Then after he gets proven wrong he will often times resort to open direct insults against people.



placidcasual on 12 May 2009

The person who started this thread is obsessed by the PS3. The PS3 is only getting started. Maybe everybody will have one by 2012 so there will be no need to sell any more.



Megadude on 12 May 2009
nightsurge said:
Megadude said:
nightsurge said:
Megadude said:
X-Box 360 is dominating America, but most of those sales come from "fly over" states and rural farm towns. Here in NYC for example, games like the MLB the Show have PS3 winning the HD console war easy. We all know that if Sony holds down key areas like major citys and Japan who are trend setters, then PS3 will be the more wanted item, while the 360's "walmart darling" bargain bin image could devastate the 360's chances for long term viability.

Oh really?  Here in Indianapolis and every major city I've seen, the Xbox 360 is still dominating in almost every single game.

Sure major cities have a chance of buying the more expensive stuff because that is a bigger part of their lifestyle and their wages are generally higher than other parts of the US.  That doesn't change the fact that apparently the 360 still has majority favor.

And it's funny that you mention the Xbox as being "'walmart darling' bargain bin image" and state that this could devastate it, when the whole concept of Wal-Mart is to sell things at the lowest price.  Oh and you know how there are 200 million Wal-Mart shoppers?  Yeah, not exactly a bad thing for the 360 to be favored by Wal-Mart.

 

 

But rural towns don't set the trends, anything big you see in a big city, the rest of the country follows.

Unfortunately the PS3 doesn't set any trends either.  Sorry bub but the 360 is still the favorite of the nation in big and small cities.  Also it dominates the media which is worldwide.  All the celebrities talk about their 360 and all the TV shows are sponsored by the 360..... well not all, but a lot more than the PS3.

 

 

Yeah and 2 years ago people were doing the same thing with Hummers and other gas guzzler SUV's, now they can't give SUV's away. 360 can keep the fly over states as long as Sony continues to dominate the big cities. NYC+Chicago+LA+Japan+Europe= PS3 wins. Why do you think PS3 is 3 million ahead of where 360 was at the same point in it's lifecycle? Smart people want a sytem that plays Bluray not DVD, this is 2009 not 1997.



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Alic0004 on 12 May 2009
nightsurge said:
Alic0004 said:
nightsurge said:
Alic0004 said:

Well, the thread title implied something much more specific than what he said in his post. I'm not sure I understand where you disagree with me, except... emotionally?

I disagree with your attempt to give Squilliam some unfavorable reputation and to label this as some flame bait thread.

You also stated he offered no data or other proof related to the topic, but he did.

 

 

   So, do we disagree now?  Cause I think maybe you call people fanboys when you're mad :)

 

   And by the way, what's up with your signature?  I don't know MikeB, but I followed one of the links from someone's sig and it brought me to a forum which didn't really make him sound like some kind of Sony agent at all.  It sounded like a couple of people arguing on a forum and accusing eachother of being banned from other forums a lot.  Does that really constitute a witch hunt like this, where a bunch of people on the forums here all post extremely negative things about one person in their signatures?

 

    I guess what I'm asking is, can you prove it?  (Sometimes I wonder about these things, can you blame me?)

I'm not mad.  I typically label anyone who immediately tries to stir the flames and discredit another member without understanding him, a fanboy.

He offered his proof or arguments using the past example of the Gamecube being discontinued first and being the lowest seller.

It is a perfectly plausible possibility.

As to the MikeB thing, you have to read all his threads to know why we include a disclaimer for him.  He will bring any topic off track to give a bit of "Amiga and PS3 domination talk".  He also will produce claims or arguments based on what he "thinks" is right.  Then when he has been proven wrong, he ignores it and goes off to another thread to spread the same misinformation around.  We don't hate him for who he favors or who he dislikes.  We don't hate him at all and this isn't a witch hunt.  It is merely something that everyone should know because the majority of people reading his threads will not have the technical background necessary to actually know he is wrong and so he gets away with deceiving many people.  Then after he gets proven wrong he will often times resort to open direct insults against people.

 

Ok, but plenty of people do that.  Seriously, think about it -- that applies to something close to the majority, I would say :)

 

I mean the accusation that he has a vested financial interest in Sony and is biased specifically because they're buying his lunch.  And that because of that he spends his summer days lying about the PS3 to innocent passers by.  Can you really prove that?

 

      And by the way, most witchhunts use the pronoun "we" a lot  :)

 

     Not that this is a witchhunt.  It just seems like crossing the line between disliking someone you argue with and persecuting them.  Maybe you should put a link in your signature which points to some proof?



 

nightsurge on 12 May 2009

I had a link, but was asked by a mod to remove it. Apparently pointing out someone's true intentions is not allowed.



Alic0004 on 12 May 2009

I was wondering about that, thanks for explaining it :)



 

BenVTrigger on 12 May 2009
Megadude said:
X-Box 360 is dominating America, but most of those sales come from "fly over" states and rural farm towns. Here in NYC for example, games like the MLB the Show have PS3 winning the HD console war easy. We all know that if Sony holds down key areas like major citys and Japan who are trend setters, then PS3 will be the more wanted item, while the 360's "walmart darling" bargain bin image could devastate the 360's chances for long term viability.

 

 

Megadude get out of here already with your constant trolling.  Rarely do I ever call someone out like this for being a troll because I give people the benefit of the doubt but your posting is nothing but biased garbage most of the time.  And if there is one thing I hate its people that stereotype and generalize people.  I live in a "flyover" state and you know what were not stupid farm boys who know nothing about gaming like you make it out to be.  I love the PS3 but its fanboys like this that absolutley RUIN its reputation.



nightsurge on 12 May 2009
Megadude said:
nightsurge said:
Megadude said:
nightsurge said:
Megadude said:
X-Box 360 is dominating America, but most of those sales come from "fly over" states and rural farm towns. Here in NYC for example, games like the MLB the Show have PS3 winning the HD console war easy. We all know that if Sony holds down key areas like major citys and Japan who are trend setters, then PS3 will be the more wanted item, while the 360's "walmart darling" bargain bin image could devastate the 360's chances for long term viability.

Oh really?  Here in Indianapolis and every major city I've seen, the Xbox 360 is still dominating in almost every single game.

Sure major cities have a chance of buying the more expensive stuff because that is a bigger part of their lifestyle and their wages are generally higher than other parts of the US.  That doesn't change the fact that apparently the 360 still has majority favor.

And it's funny that you mention the Xbox as being "'walmart darling' bargain bin image" and state that this could devastate it, when the whole concept of Wal-Mart is to sell things at the lowest price.  Oh and you know how there are 200 million Wal-Mart shoppers?  Yeah, not exactly a bad thing for the 360 to be favored by Wal-Mart.

 

 

But rural towns don't set the trends, anything big you see in a big city, the rest of the country follows.

Unfortunately the PS3 doesn't set any trends either.  Sorry bub but the 360 is still the favorite of the nation in big and small cities.  Also it dominates the media which is worldwide.  All the celebrities talk about their 360 and all the TV shows are sponsored by the 360..... well not all, but a lot more than the PS3.

 

 

Yeah and 2 years ago people were doing the same thing with Hummers and other gas guzzler SUV's, now they can't give SUV's away. 360 can keep the fly over states as long as Sony continues to dominate the big cities. NYC+Chicago+LA+Japan+Europe= PS3 wins. Why do you think PS3 is 3 million ahead of where 360 was at the same point in it's lifecycle? Smart people want a sytem that plays Bluray not DVD, this is 2009 not 1997.

Only Hummers and SUV's became less popular due to the economy because of the gas prices being too high.  The 360 benefits from the economy scenario where the PS3 does not.  Also, besides your anecdotal and unsourced testimony that NYC is owned by the PS3 for one game, there is no proof that the PS3 dominates the big cities.  In fact from my personal experience when traveling and watching TV, it would appear the 360 dominates big cities.

The PS3 is "ahead at the same point in time" because of many reasons, but that won't help it catch up with the overall sales.  In fact with it's current state of decline it is looking like the second year of the PS3 may have been it's peak.  Smart people want a system that plays the majority of the great games they want and costs less.  Blu-ray is only an issue for 10% of the total movie buying population.  No where near a big issue so apparently DVD IS 2009 still.