Last time I checked they were doing both ..

This mztazmz guy sounds like Crazzyman on steroids.

=)

really now? Claiming that only makes you look more foolish...

since you are obviously deep in the dark hole of someones a88

Oh, good. We won't be given the opportunity to read your lunacy any more. Yay! :D

OK, I give up.

This right here just goes to show that debating over the internet just doesn't work.

Here we all are with usernames and avatars. None of us know each other's real names or even what we look like. So we can all just hide behind our computers and say the dumbest shit, deny facts, and basically just throw logic and common sense out the window as there's no embarassment to be had.

example:

here are 2 direct quotes from my OP: in 2008, MS gaming division reported a profit of $267 million for the year

and: before September 2008($199 price), the PS3 was consistently outselling the 360 worldwide on a weekly basis

here is a reply post from tyig:

Look, how wrong you are:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 03rd Jan 2009:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 03rd Jan 2009:

and 360 profited in 2008

So we both agree that 360 profited in 2008, and yet somehow according to tyig, I am wrong and he is right?

Obviously this 100% defies logic and common sense.

Also I CLEARLY stated that PS3 outsold 360 for a PERIOD OF TIME during 2008, NOT the whole year. So through a combination of fanboyism and a lack of reading comprehension, tyig proceeds to post the total sales for both consoles for the ENTIRE YEAR OF 2008 as an attempt to say I am wrong.

Only on the internet can such ridiculous debates happen. With people face to face, such an inablility to keep the facts straight would be embarrasing. Here, it's greeted with open arms.

I'm now going to ask a mod to delete my account here. I'm sure some of you will be happy to hear that as I'm sure my negative speculation about the future of 360 got your fanboy panties all in a bunch. I love VGchartz for the sales data and news, but the forums just plain suck. While there are some cool people on here, there are way too many dipshits that fuck it up.

God he got permabanned fast!!   Who in their right mind instantly starts trolling as soon as their ban is up? lunacy i tell you!!

The reality is that you can kill two birds with one stone, and we are really debating which came first the chicken or the egg. Are Microsoft's comments the reason or are they a justification. Why does Microsoft not want Sony to have the living room? Could be it threatened their existing business model, but it could also be Microsoft saw money to be made in this market, and wanted that money for itself. So it could be a justification after the fact or before.

Either way it is irrelevant, because Microsoft has a business model that ensures great profitability once they establish dominance. Microsoft is not looking to make profit on hardware. Hell it isn't even looking to make money on licensing. Though both would be a bonus. Microsoft is a software company. That is what they do, and that is what they know. Their console is a portal to their software. The most profitable ventures in the online space are subscription services. They may take a good bit of money to get rolling, but once they are the cash just pours in.

What Microsoft sees is the potential for a four hundred or five hundred percent return on investment. That is why Sony offered a free service. That was their cock block to Microsoft. Trying to force them to abandon the model, and thus deprive Microsoft of the profitability that brought them to the market. Sony unfortunately failed at this.

Microsoft doesn't have to ever be profitable on their hardware, and it will not cost them profitability. Sony on the other hand must eventually be profitable on their hardware. Licensing alone is not going to back fill initial losses, or the interest on debt incurred as part of the process. That is why Microsoft winning is almost a inevitable conclusion.

Just wait until Microsoft racks up thirty or forty million subscribers. Once they bring two billion in every year just on the service. Microsoft is somewhat limited by laws that prohibit unfair competition. In other words they cannot just dump three billion in to the market to purchase up all the software. That would be unfair to Sony. However if Microsoft can spend that cash from what the service plan brings in then it is not unfair competition. The money they would be spending would be the fruits of having a better business model. Which their competition has every opportunity to follow.

To boil this down if the console makes the money. Then it is permissible for the console to spend that money on itself. The result being that Sony cannot just muddle through. They need to find a way to bring in as much money as Microsoft. Yes they will have to play the same game as Microsoft. Deciding not to is just suicide, and frankly the sooner Sony comes to this realization the better. Time to start milking your customers Sony. In the end it is their only hope.

@ Dodece

wow....seriously BEST post in this thread. And Your actually 100% correct, I believe most of the stuff you wrote but damn I'm nowhere near that good at explaining what I'm trying to say. Maybe thats why earlier that guy thought I was being a fanboy when I was just trying to get my point across. TBH I wasn't very clear in my posts

360 is making money, because we know other things in the EDD are money losers, not the 360. Part of the problem is that people DON'T take the time to read thru the 10-Q, which is open to the public, but then proceed to come on these boards and simply spew out crap. The heavy cost drivers for the last qtr was a heavy $38 million currency hit (which Nintendo and Sony have also commented on, just to validate M$ claims) and a whopping 63% drop in Mac software sales, which had the Mac Office launch in 2008 to boost those numbers. In actuality, 360 revenue grew 16% this quarter, which reflects the growing strength of the brand. Finally, the biggest increase was a $66 million R&D charge due to increases in Windows Mobile Platform, which is expecting a major update to entrench M$ mobile to counter Apple's gains...Know what the hell you are talking about before posting nonsense...

The last post you made you was very clear and i agreed with everything it said but that wasn't the point you first made.

You claimed MS biggest reason for being in the market was to destroy sony over everything else including making a profit.
Not that they wanted to protect their business as well as expend it into it's next logial step... the living room.