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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/05/cia_says_pelosi_was_briefed_on.html

Intelligence officials released documents this evening saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda prisoners, seemingly contradicting her repeated statements over the past 18 months that she was never told that these techniques were actually being used.

In a 10-page memo outlining an almost seven-year history of classified briefings, intelligence officials said that Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) were the first two members of Congress ever briefed on the interrogation tactics. Then the ranking member and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, respectively, Pelosi and Goss were briefed Sept. 4, 2002, one week before the first anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

In December 2007 the Washington Post reported that leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees had been briefed in the fall of 2002 about waterboarding -- which simulates drowning -- and other techniques, and that no congressional leaders protested its use. At the time Pelosi said she was not told that waterboarding was being used, a position she stood by repeatedly last month when the Bush-era Justice Department legal documents justifying the interrogation tactics were released by Attorney General Eric Holder.

Republicans have accused her of knowing for many years precisely the techniques CIA agents were using in interrogations, and only protesting the tactics when they became public and liberal antiwar activists protested.

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" worked for Bill Clinton, maybe it'll work for her too.




Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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*sigh* American politicians, they don't make sense at the best of times.

 

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Expand that to all politicians actually lol



highwaystar101 said:

*sigh* American politicians, they don't make sense at the best of times.

 

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Expand that to all politicians actually lol

 

 I think the UK had it's fair of oddballs too.

At least American politicians know how to "act" civillized. Behaviour that is tolerated in the House of Commons certainly would not be tolerated here.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
highwaystar101 said:

*sigh* American politicians, they don't make sense at the best of times.

 

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Expand that to all politicians actually lol

 

I think the UK had it's fair of oddballs too.

At least American politicians know how to "act" civillized. Behaviour that is tolerated in the House of Commons certainly would not be tolerated here.

Hey that's not fair. I included British politicians after the edit.

And you are right it is always an "act" in American politics.

 



Whoops.



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Pelosi is a Democrat.. not Democrats. There is no reason to make it seem like the entire party was in on it.

 



This is why members of the GOP wanted a full investigation of Bush.

It does two things. It keeps it from being a witch hunt, as it forces investigators to find all parties involved (not just the ones people in power want you to know about), and it will also uncover how much useful information we obtained.

My guess is when they explained to Pelosi what was going on on 2002, they also explained it's effectiveness, and that's why she didn't have a problem with it.



damkira said:

Pelosi is a Democrat.. not Democrats. There is no reason to make it seem like the entire party was in on it.

 

 

Ahh yes... step one. Isolate the problem.

Republicans have been doing that with Bush for years... now that Dems are in power, and it's your turn.

I hope if this shift in political power does nothing else, it at least shows Democrats that all people in power are the same, and the best way to do more for the people, is less control at the top.

This is my main issue with government. People in charge with the power to control your lives, never use that power for the betterment of you.

The only people in history that have, are those that once the power was obtained, gave it back to the people (like Washington, Adams, and the like).

Aside from Ron Paul, name one person in US politics that wants to win an election so they can give away the power awarded to them?

It's sure wasn't Bush, and it damn sure isn't Obama.



"Politics in America today is like pro wrestling, and what I mean by that is in front of the cameras and the public we all hate each other......yet behind the scenes we all are friends going out to dinner together...... it's all a work, it's show business, and thats what you have today in politics, the democrats and Republicans are not really opposed to each other" - Jesse Ventura

Truer words could not have been spoken!



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They were wrong too. Plain and simple.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson