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Yes it is. I have nothing to hide. I would want Ft. Meade to pick up on chatter from a terrorist down the lane or keywords on the Net to help prevent an attack, ie the Brooklyn Bridge bombing attack (that hardly anyone heard of yet it was stopped).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/al-qaeda_targets_brooklyn_bridge_and_trains.htm



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Parokki said:
Can anyone find a source for this that isn't a YouTube video or a blog? I'd hate to say anything, only to have someone go "APRIL FOOLS" the very next minute. ^^

 

It looks real. Here is the website for the station:

http://www.wral.com/wral-tv/

If you keep hitting the page, the banner cycles through images. One is the man at the start of the video.



so the gov can arrest people and suspend their rights completly? Wow...

I feel tempted to compare this to Nazi Germany but with both Tyrranical and HaloGamer in thsi thread ill hold my words.



O-D-C said:
so the gov can arrest people and suspend their rights completly? Wow...

I feel tempted to compare this to Nazi Germany but with both Tyrranical and HaloGamer in thsi thread ill hold my words.

 

 Well, you could compare it to Lincoln America.

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
O-D-C said:
so the gov can arrest people and suspend their rights completly? Wow...

I feel tempted to compare this to Nazi Germany but with both Tyrranical and HaloGamer in thsi thread ill hold my words.

 

 Well, you could compare it to Lincoln America.

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.

I love how people say hc can never be suspended w/o looking @ US Const. Sec 9:

Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The Civil War was a time in which hc could be suspended for national unity and maintaining order.  Likewise, the GWoT requires this and even though hc has not been suspended, should the President require it, the Const. provides for suspension.

 



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halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
O-D-C said:
so the gov can arrest people and suspend their rights completly? Wow...

I feel tempted to compare this to Nazi Germany but with both Tyrranical and HaloGamer in thsi thread ill hold my words.

 

 Well, you could compare it to Lincoln America.

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.

I love how people say hc can never be suspended w/o looking @ US Const. Sec 9:

Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The Civil War was a time in which hc could be suspended for national unity and maintaining order.  Likewise, the GWoT requires this and even though hc has not been suspended, should the President require it, the Const. provides for suspension.

 

You might want to review your history their Halogamer. Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, not the President, and certainly not by executive order which is what Lincoln did.

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
O-D-C said:
so the gov can arrest people and suspend their rights completly? Wow...

I feel tempted to compare this to Nazi Germany but with both Tyrranical and HaloGamer in thsi thread ill hold my words.

 

 Well, you could compare it to Lincoln America.

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.

I love how people say hc can never be suspended w/o looking @ US Const. Sec 9:

Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The Civil War was a time in which hc could be suspended for national unity and maintaining order.  Likewise, the GWoT requires this and even though hc has not been suspended, should the President require it, the Const. provides for suspension.

 

You might want to review your history their Halogamer. Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, not the President, and certainly not by executive order which is what Lincoln did.

 

Acc 2 the Const. yes Congress has the power to admin. susp of hc.  However in times of war, the Pres. can do this via emergency powers or extreme measure, usu the latter.

 



halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:

You might want to review your history their Halogamer. Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, not the President, and certainly not by executive order which is what Lincoln did.

 

Acc 2 the Const. yes Congress has the power to admin. susp of hc.  However in times of war, the Pres. can do this via emergency powers or extreme measure, usu the latter.

 

 

 No, the President under no circumstances has the right to suspend habeas corpus, only Congress can. Lincoln did it because Congress was opposed to it.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:

You might want to review your history their Halogamer. Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, not the President, and certainly not by executive order which is what Lincoln did.

 

Acc 2 the Const. yes Congress has the power to admin. susp of hc.  However in times of war, the Pres. can do this via emergency powers or extreme measure, usu the latter.

 

 

 No, the President under no circumstances has the right to suspend habeas corpus, only Congress can. Lincoln did it because Congress was opposed to it.

I was referring to another method, martial law.  Lincoln used this.

 



halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:

You might want to review your history their Halogamer. Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, not the President, and certainly not by executive order which is what Lincoln did.

 

Acc 2 the Const. yes Congress has the power to admin. susp of hc.  However in times of war, the Pres. can do this via emergency powers or extreme measure, usu the latter.

 

 

 No, the President under no circumstances has the right to suspend habeas corpus, only Congress can. Lincoln did it because Congress was opposed to it.

I was referring to another method, martial law.  Lincoln used this.

 

 

 Illegaly I might add, and he even continued to do so after the Supreme Court ordered him to stop.

As the Civil War started, in the very beginning of Lincoln's presidential term, a group of "Peace Democrats" proposed a peaceful resolution to the developing Civil War by offering a truce with the South, and forming a constitutional convention to amend the U.S. Constitution to protect States' rights. The proposal was ignored by the Unionists of the North and not taken seriously by the South. However, the Peace Democrats, also called copperheads by their enemies, publicly criticized Lincoln's belief that violating the U.S. Constitution was required to save it as a whole. With Congress not in session until July, Lincoln assumed all powers not delegated in the Constitution, including the power to suspend habeas corpus. In 1861, Lincoln had already suspended civil law in territories where resistance to the North's military power would be dangerous. In 1862, when copperhead democrats began criticizing Lincoln's violation of the Constitution, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus throughout the nation and had many copperhead democrats arrested under military authority because he felt that the State Courts in the north west would not convict war protesters such as the copperheads. He proclaimed that all persons who discouraged enlistments or engaged in disloyal practices would come under Martial Law. 

Among the 13,000 people arrested under martial law was a Maryland Secessionist, John Merryman. Immediately, Hon. Roger B. Taney, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States issued a writ of habeas corpus commanding the military to bring Merryman before him. The military refused to follow the writ. Justice Taney, in Ex parte MERRYMAN, then ruled the suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional because the writ could not be suspended without an Act of Congress. President Lincoln and the military ignored Justice Taney's ruling. 

Finally, in 1866, after the war, the Supreme Court officially restored habeas corpus in Ex-parte Milligan, ruling that military trials in areas where the civil courts were capable of functioning were illegal.

 

John Wilkes Booth's timing may have been off, but he was correct in stating "Thus always to tyrants"



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire