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Tyrannical on 07 May 2009
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halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
O-D-C said:
so the gov can arrest people and suspend their rights completly? Wow...

I feel tempted to compare this to Nazi Germany but with both Tyrranical and HaloGamer in thsi thread ill hold my words.

 

 Well, you could compare it to Lincoln America.

During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.

I love how people say hc can never be suspended w/o looking @ US Const. Sec 9:

Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The Civil War was a time in which hc could be suspended for national unity and maintaining order.  Likewise, the GWoT requires this and even though hc has not been suspended, should the President require it, the Const. provides for suspension.

 

You might want to review your history their Halogamer. Congress can suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, not the President, and certainly not by executive order which is what Lincoln did.

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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