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TWRoO on 05 May 2009
Pyro as Bill said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

So you knew they were bundled too? That's pretty lame. Anyway, I'm gonna keep following this thread and I might post more if I have any willpower left. We'll see.

I knew Panda was bundled at some point and I think I saw Marvel and Panda bundled for an extra £20 (might not have been Marvel) but definitely 2 games for an extra £20 (UK).

So are bundles always the same around the world? Should we have a little star next to them to identify them as bundled at some point? Do we ignore it in the million seller count?

Personally, I'm of the opinion that it makes no difference whether something is bundled or not. A sale is a sale.

 

Keep in mind we are talking force bundles here.

Many games are available for bundling by retailers.... but Wii Sports comes with every system.

Those particular X360 games were force bundled.... For the right period (3-4 months around Christmas ish, I am not going to check exact dates) you could not buy an X360 without getting Forza 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance free with it in 2007. And in 2008 You couldn't buy an X360 without getting either Sega SuperStars Tennis, or both Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indy (and no they were not an extra cost, they were free, the X360 cost the same before and after the bundles)

I think sometimes all three (Sega Tennis, Kung Fu and Lego Indy) in addition to Viva Pinata were being given away, but that may have just been an Argos promotion (I worked there over Christmas)


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Words of Wisdom and yourself are correct though... some of those occasions the X360 + PS3 total was still higher than Wii, although these games are from a while back so when the Wii wasn't as close to 50% marketshare as it is now, so really they just sold very similarly across all consoles relative to userbase.

What your OP is mistaken with though is that all the games are on level footing, when they are not.
The 4 I have been mentioning all had huge forced X360 bundles.... RockBand 1 was severly gimped, and severly late to release for the Wii.... Rockband 2 (was that in the OP?) was late to the PS3, and even later to the Wii.... Guitar Hero III I believe was late to Wii and PS3 too.

In fact, the games that actually stand up or your argument are the sports games and GH:WT (whch Wii "wins" anyway)

If taking out the bundle help, then Lego Indy and Kung Fu Panda support it too.

 



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IxisNaugus on 05 May 2009

Personally, I'm of the opinion that it makes no difference whether something is bundled or not. A sale is a sale.
It is at this point i realize there is no reasoning with this guy.



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Rhonin the wizard on 05 May 2009

Going by the OP's definition of "casual".

Rayman Raving Rabbids

360 - 0.19m, Wii - 1.64m

Guitar Hero: Aerosmith

360 - 0.72m, PS3 - 0.46m, Wii - 0.84m

Ratatouille

360 - 0.22m, PS3 - 0.08m, Wii - 0.92m (the 360 and PS3 versions are missing Others numbers)

Lego Batman: The Videogame

360 - 0.53m, PS3 - 0.42m, Wii - 0.88m



Gamerace on 05 May 2009

That was cherry picked data if I ever saw it.



 

lapsed_gamer on 05 May 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:

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Several of those games (Panda, Lego, Marvel) look like the combined HD sales are beating the Wii's sales before the large leap from bundled sales.

The argument that a large chunk of sales from bundles is fair, but the OP's position is still pretty solid.

 

 

Going by 20th week of each game:

Kund Fu Panda: 167,005 PS3    201,114 Xbox360     290,589 Wii (Wii 44%)
Lego Indiana Jones: 361,551 PS3     494,204 Xbox360     745,747 Wii (Wii 46%)

Looks pretty close to the Wii's market share at the time.

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tuoyo on 05 May 2009
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Pyro as Bill said:
theRepublic said:
@Pyro as Bill

Didn't you get the memo? You seem to be using last generation's definition of "casual". The "hardcore" gamers got together at the start of this generation and changed it. "Casual" now means mini-game compilation...or was it games with simple controls...or was it cartoony games...or was it games with low difficulty? I can't remember. They keep changing the definition to fit their current argument.

 

 

I got the memo but I decided to define what I meant when using the word casual in my first line.

Majin: I had a list of 15 at the start. I was unsure how the bundle argument goes so I kept them in reserve.

Lets not forget that the Wii also has a much larger userbase than the 360.

So you knew they were bundled too? That's pretty lame. Anyway, I'm gonna keep following this thread and I might post more if I have any willpower left. We'll see.

I would advise you not to bother.  Just read this thread and it is clear that some people can't be reasoned with.  If you continue to post you will just be wasting your time talking to a brick wall (the brick wall which has the least sense in this world)

 



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Majin-Tenshinhan on 05 May 2009
tuoyo said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Pyro as Bill said:
theRepublic said:
@Pyro as Bill

Didn't you get the memo? You seem to be using last generation's definition of "casual". The "hardcore" gamers got together at the start of this generation and changed it. "Casual" now means mini-game compilation...or was it games with simple controls...or was it cartoony games...or was it games with low difficulty? I can't remember. They keep changing the definition to fit their current argument.

 

 

I got the memo but I decided to define what I meant when using the word casual in my first line.

Majin: I had a list of 15 at the start. I was unsure how the bundle argument goes so I kept them in reserve.

Lets not forget that the Wii also has a much larger userbase than the 360.

So you knew they were bundled too? That's pretty lame. Anyway, I'm gonna keep following this thread and I might post more if I have any willpower left. We'll see.

I would advise you not to bother.  Just read this thread and it is clear that some people can't be reasoned with.  If you continue to post you will just be wasting your time talking to a brick wall (the brick wall which has the least sense in this world)

 

That's kind of how I felt too, yeah :x



Omega_Phazon_Pirate. on 05 May 2009

I really don't know why some people are saying Majin has no valid points. He has very valid points which pretty much makes the OP null. Saying "a sale is a sale" actually isn't a good counter-argument (actually it's a bad one). I got Kung-Fu Panda and Lego Indiana Jones, but that's only because it came iwth my 360. I actually didn't want the game and I'm sure LOTS of other 360 owners that bought it with this bundle mirror my opinion.

And I think you should replace "HD" with 360, because I noticed most of the PS3 sales aren't that high and it's not like it's free to port from 360 to PS3 (Actually from what I've heard, it's quite expensive), and that just sounds like a desperate attempt to boost PS3 sales.



                           

Pyro as Bill on 05 May 2009

Thing is with the bundle argument is that someone takes the hit somewhere. Retailer, manufacturer, publisher it doesn't matter. You got the game "free" because somebody else paid for it.

@Lapsed. RR 360 doesn't include EU/JP. Isnt RR a very different game on the Wii?

@Gamerace. Not really just the best selling multiplatform "casual" games. Go ahead and do your own list.



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WiiStation360 on 05 May 2009

Should 3rd parties consider keeping the casual games to the HD consoles?

To be fair, you should compare sales of PS3/360 to Wii/PS2.  For casual games, development costs is normally shared between the two SD system.  I think you will find you number a lot different if do this.

Also, you seem to have "accidentially" left off a lot of causal games that sold really well on the Wii/PS2.

  • GH: Aerosmith
  • Shaun White Snowboarding
  • Wall-E
  • Lego Batman
  • Tiger Woods 09
  • Karaoke Revolution: American Idol
  • Disney Sing It!
  • Sonic Unleashed
  • Monopoly
  • The Incredible Hulk
  • Ratatoulle
  • etc

Looking at your list, it is sorted in descending order of XBox 360 sales.  It is almost as if you looked at the 360 million seller list and then compared those games along with the PS3 version to the Wii version.  Hardly a fair way to get a representative list of casual games, since you are only looking at the ones that sold well on the 360, and excluding the ones that didn't.  This alone will give you extremely biased results.