{Imo it has a decent shot to be announced on this year´s E3.

look at 2005 and look at 2009, there is an evolution, why would we wait for next gen to see that kind of graphics?  Everyone laughed at sony when they showed killzone 2 cinematics, the ingame gameplay is not that far from that, this gen is still 3 years long, why not have an optimistic mind?

As for pgr5, i'm not fond of racing games (i'm the kind that prefers real life driving, with a pad in my hands, i'm more out than on the road lol ) but i think they can't do 2 racing games on the same year, because they would collide.

Yes we know it's photomode. Which is a bonus. It's the most accurate way to show a true screenshot of the copy of the game. The touched up screenshots are the ones on IGN etc. Sent to them by the companies. They are the inaccurate screenshots. Photomodes are great. As in Halo 3. Yes they up the resolution to 1080p, but apart from that what you see is what you get. If you have a 360 and PGR 4 go and do it right now. These screens are what you will see on your TV. The game is incredible. It's real life grittiness is superb. Something other racing games dont have.

Bizzare owns the rights to the Kudos system, so I wonder if MS will licence it or create a new system. And i think the new game will be called Project Forza Racing

Yeah I know. They are straight from photomode in the game. Any one can use photomode in any racer at all, but none of the pics will look as good as these. Phenemonal aren't they. Theres even more at Bizzares website. Check them out. The link is in OP. Seriously most shots in the community dont look like a game.

As you said these 2 are the best shots Ive ever seen from a game actually. Effecs or not.

ive had pgr4 since day one and the car grafix are not like that in game. its 530p upscaled to 720p <--- thats the res of the game

in photo mode you are able to make dramatic angles, zoom in out etc and add effects to make a good looking picture, you can change most things to give a photo realistic look.

ive uploaded some ace photos of bikes, but i dont know where to find them on bizzare website. is there a search for usernames?

Wow, you're honestly still going on about how good photo mode looks..... o well, i'm sure they'll make a 5 sometime, seeing how pgr4 was barely better than gt4, they'll want to improve.

Yes the resolution is upped. Thats obvious. But you cannot add better lighting. You cannot add improved textures. You cannot add extra polygons. Etc, etc. So apart from res, that is how the game looks. I will admit that in the rain the game looks unbeliveably real, thats it's strong point. But it does alos look bloody good in the dry. Link is in the OP. They just post the pics in a forum so no searches can be done. :(

In Game:

There's a huge difference.