owned how exactly ?? by that crappy Cellphone cam video you posted which even makes the game look even worse than it actually are ??

I guess I can't argue with a guy who said NFS shift is going to eat both GT5 and Forza or that Race Pro is better than GT5 !!!!!!!

We still haven't seen the final build for GT5 [no, not even in Prologue]. But for now I give the nod to PGR.

@Selnor. The video you posted looks great. Very atmospheric.

But the rain, high speed and poor visibilty in-game, coupled with the fact that it's a cam recording off youtube serve to mask any problems the game might have, like low detailed scenery or jaggies.

Simply comparing two videos of GT5:P and PGR4 on even terms, both cars starting a race at the starting line with similiar weather conditions, one looked vastly superior to the other.

I like how only your Gran Turismo 5 shots are real, from the game with no after effects.

it is funny to see how desperate the op is trying to prove that PGR4 is better than GT5:P,only because GT5 is a ps3 exclusive

but the majority of people is saying that gt5 is better,i think you will have to try harder

Hey, that PGR4 rain Nuremberg stuff has really cool atmosphere in it, with the diffuse lighting and the rain on the wind shield. GT% doesn't have that. At least that much is true.

So Selnor gets back up, and puts both down for good. Sorry. guys PGR4 makes this to easy for me.

Hey, the above video totally fails since there are no umbrellas anywhere in the public, which is not at all realistic. :P
Plus, those wipers suck. On such an expensive car, the wipers should be perfect not wipe a quarter of the glass only. Fail.
So GT wins :).

@selnor

lol you are just showing how low poly these car models are compared to GT5Prologue. scenery doesn't come close to London in GT5P either.

Gran Turismo 5.

Judging by even the prologue pictures