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NJ5 on 27 April 2009
Torillian said:
megaman79 said:
"The issue is that if you don't have a vaccine you really can't get rid of the virus, all you can do is use anti-viral drugs to slow down the virus until your immune system is able to put it into remission. "

@Torrillian, Ok so that explains why kids and old people die, weak immune systems. What about these people then? Theyre generally young adults.

Will it take 6 months to make a vaccine for this particular strain? Thats what someone said on the news.

 

It could take that long to make the vaccine for a particular strain in large enough quantities.  I don't know the logistics of the large scale production. 

Onto why young people may be killed, it's hard to say.  all we deal with is chances, there is a greater chance to live through the flu if you are younger, but young people often don't get flu vaccines, so they might not have as "prepared" an immune system.  That's all just theory off the top of my head though.

From what I read, in the 1918 flu young adults with strong immune systems were most likely to die due to the immune system going into overdrive and attacking the body itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

Ironically the cure is to make the immune system weaker.

 



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SamuelRSmith on 27 April 2009

Interesting that GlaxoSmithKline (a pharmacutical company) saw the biggest increase on the FTSE today, whilst British Airways and other airlines saw the biggest drops.



Rath on 27 April 2009

Well thats shit.

Swine flu has arrived at my university, apparently two staff members and two students have been put in isolation.



The Ghost of RubangB on 27 April 2009
wfz said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

My sister and her husband are in Mexico City. I just got off the phone with them. They both have it. They're okay so far, just staying home and being sick as hell. They're told not to go to hospitals unless they absolutely have to, because the hospitals will be full of people who really really really have it and you'd have to be nuts to even step into one. So they're staying inside and wearing face masks, for the last few days. All school and sporting events and festivals have been canceled, and people are already blaming the virus and this morning's 6.0 earthquake on gay marriage.

They also say we already have the cure for it, but it's so widespread and hitting other countries like Spain and New Zealand, that it could easily go worldwide and it's just a matter of making the cure fast enough and getting it out everywhere before too many people die.

 

Sweet justice! Hoooraaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy!

 

Where did you hear the bolded part?

My sister just told me on the phone.  It was said by her husband's ex-boss, who's from Guinea.  He said all these things are happening as part of the apocalypse, because "how a man gonna be your woman?"

I'm sure we'll get a few more wacky gold nuggets like this one, like the people who blamed Hurricane Katrina on abortion.

 

My sister was planning on going to a soccer game, but they didn't want to fill a stadium with an ocean of people and spread the virus like crazy.  So they refunded the tickets and had the teams play in an empty stadium.



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d21lewis on 27 April 2009

I think it's just the "big story" of the moment. It won't be that big of a deal, in the long run. We'll survive.

OR

It's nature's revenge for years and years of bacon and ham, and we're all screwed!




either, or



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The Ghost of RubangB on 27 April 2009
d21lewis said:
I think it's just the "big story" of the moment. It won't be that big of a deal, in the long run. We'll survive.

OR

It's nature's revenge for years and years of bacon and ham, and we're all screwed!




either, or

It could be nature's revenge for this thread alone.



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Torillian on 27 April 2009
NJ5 said:
Torillian said:
megaman79 said:
"The issue is that if you don't have a vaccine you really can't get rid of the virus, all you can do is use anti-viral drugs to slow down the virus until your immune system is able to put it into remission. "

@Torrillian, Ok so that explains why kids and old people die, weak immune systems. What about these people then? Theyre generally young adults.

Will it take 6 months to make a vaccine for this particular strain? Thats what someone said on the news.

 

It could take that long to make the vaccine for a particular strain in large enough quantities.  I don't know the logistics of the large scale production. 

Onto why young people may be killed, it's hard to say.  all we deal with is chances, there is a greater chance to live through the flu if you are younger, but young people often don't get flu vaccines, so they might not have as "prepared" an immune system.  That's all just theory off the top of my head though.

From what I read, in the 1918 flu young adults with strong immune systems were most likely to die due to the immune system going into overdrive and attacking the body itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

Ironically the cure is to make the immune system weaker.

 

yeah, but that was due to the specific virality of that strain, which doesn't have to do with the H1N1 designation.  All the H1N1 means is that the Hemagglutinin (sp) and Neuraminidase are of a certain kind, which is how the virus gets into the cell and how it detaches from the cell.  Those really aren't why the spanish flu was so deadly, it has to do with other mechanisms within the virus, so just because this flu has the same H1N1 doesn't mean that it will have the same deadliness as the Spanish Flu.

 



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NJ5 on 27 April 2009
Torillian said:
NJ5 said:

From what I read, in the 1918 flu young adults with strong immune systems were most likely to die due to the immune system going into overdrive and attacking the body itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

Ironically the cure is to make the immune system weaker.

 

yeah, but that was due to the specific virality of that strain, which doesn't have to do with the H1N1 designation.  All the H1N1 means is that the Hemagglutinin (sp) and Neuraminidase are of a certain kind, which is how the virus gets into the cell and how it detaches from the cell.  Those really aren't why the spanish flu was so deadly, it has to do with other mechanisms within the virus, so just because this flu has the same H1N1 doesn't mean that it will have the same deadliness as the Spanish Flu.

 

That makes sense, I'm just saying one of the potential  reasons to explain why young adults seem to be affected most by this one in Mexico.

I certainly hope there's another explanation which is the real cause right now...

 



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Torillian on 27 April 2009
NJ5 said:
Torillian said:
NJ5 said:

From what I read, in the 1918 flu young adults with strong immune systems were most likely to die due to the immune system going into overdrive and attacking the body itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

Ironically the cure is to make the immune system weaker.

 

yeah, but that was due to the specific virality of that strain, which doesn't have to do with the H1N1 designation.  All the H1N1 means is that the Hemagglutinin (sp) and Neuraminidase are of a certain kind, which is how the virus gets into the cell and how it detaches from the cell.  Those really aren't why the spanish flu was so deadly, it has to do with other mechanisms within the virus, so just because this flu has the same H1N1 doesn't mean that it will have the same deadliness as the Spanish Flu.

 

That makes sense, I'm just saying one of the potential  reasons to explain why young adults seem to be affected most by this one in Mexico.

I certainly hope there's another explanation which is the real cause right now...

 

 

You're right though, that is a possible explination for why young adults might be more affected.  And if that was true, it would be quite unfortunate.  Estimates put the death toll from the Spanish flu to 20-100 million people worldwide.  This was partially due to medicine of the time not having the same abilities that it does today, so it wouldn't be nearly that bad if the same virus happenned in current times.



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NintendoMan on 27 April 2009

This morning the number of estimated cases was 1400, now its 2300 (going by wiki). Seems that we may all die. I personally blame Wii Fit.



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