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akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

Adjusted for inflation, Vietnam probably actually cost us less money than Iraq. So in some ways, Vietnam was a better war. The human life toll isn't as high fortunately. Our credibility has probably taken a bigger hit though.

http://www.vietnamwar.com/

Fifty-eight thousand Americans lost their lives. The losses to the Vietnamese people were appalling. The financial cost to the United States comes to something over $150 billion dollars. Direct American involvement began in 1955 with the arrival of the first advisors. The first combat troops arrived in 1965 and we fought the war until the cease-fire of January 1973. To a whole new generation of young Americans today, it seems a story from the olden times.

150 billion adjusting for inflation equals $763,750,278,650.66.

 

So less.  Yet i think the lost of life is kinda more important.

Unless we are talking about healthcare right

I'm actually guessing the loss of life in healthcare would roughly be the same as run by the government... if not worse.  The US government has a poor record for healthcare treatment. 

The only shining beacon so far has been the VA hospitals... and that's only because before then the VA hospitals were so crappy that people were left to die and their corpses were just lieing around lost somewhere.

The US government would probably end up like NHS can be denying healthcare coverage but worse.  Denying people soley based on credentials like age and other stuff since they'll always be over budget.



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Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
I'll be happy if Iraq turns out to be a war we ultimately win. I don't want it to disintegrate like Vietnam did. I don't benefit from that in any way whatsoever and it would just hurt everyone, especially the Iraqi people. I just think we wanted to get our dicks wet with another war and didn't realize what we were getting ourselves into, like we did with Vietnam.

It wasn't that.  It was just a complete lack of planning.  Iraq had no reason to end up how it did.  Except for an incredible lack of planning and a number of really stupid maneuvers as soon as they took over.

 

Vietnam was an unwinnable war because it was a groundwar with the chinese.  In which we couldn't invade to far without worrying about provoking setting off a nuclear war.

Absolutely, but the end result is similar.  Our exit strategy was just plain non-existent (partially because I think some people in charge didn't WANT to leave Iraq).  Too much financial opportunity. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/blood-and-oil-how-the-west-will-profit-from-iraqs-most-precious-commodity-431119.html

Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary at the time of the war and now head of the World Bank, told Congress: "We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon."

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:

150 billion adjusting for inflation equals $763,750,278,650.66.

 

So less.  Yet i think the lost of life is kinda more important.

Unless we are talking about healthcare right

I'm actually guessing the loss of life in healthcare would roughly be the same as run by the government... if not worse.  The US government has a poor record for healthcare treatment. 

The only shining beacon so far has been the VA hospitals... and that's only because before then the VA hospitals were so crappy that people were left to die and their corpses were just lieing around lost somewhere.

The US government would probably end up like NHS can be denying healthcare coverage but worse.  Denying people soley based on credentials like age and other stuff since they'll always be over budget.

Point taken, but at least governments are accountable to the general public.  Insurance companies are only accountable to their shareholders and the people they settle out of court with.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
I'll be happy if Iraq turns out to be a war we ultimately win. I don't want it to disintegrate like Vietnam did. I don't benefit from that in any way whatsoever and it would just hurt everyone, especially the Iraqi people. I just think we wanted to get our dicks wet with another war and didn't realize what we were getting ourselves into, like we did with Vietnam.

It wasn't that.  It was just a complete lack of planning.  Iraq had no reason to end up how it did.  Except for an incredible lack of planning and a number of really stupid maneuvers as soon as they took over.

 

Vietnam was an unwinnable war because it was a groundwar with the chinese.  In which we couldn't invade to far without worrying about provoking setting off a nuclear war.

Absolutely, but the end result is similar.  Our exit strategy was just plain non-existent (partially because I think some people in charge didn't WANT to leave Iraq).  Too much financial opportunity. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/blood-and-oil-how-the-west-will-profit-from-iraqs-most-precious-commodity-431119.html

Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary at the time of the war and now head of the World Bank, told Congress: "We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon."

Yeah... too bad it didn't work out like that.  Well not really, since that would likely just lead to the country eventually breaking off the deals anyway since nobody can actually force Iraq to keep those contracts.

I mean Venezula is seen as the riskiest country in the world to invest in oil, because you never know when they're president is just going to break their deal.

Besides if it wasn't for the Iraq war... the videogame industry would of been screwed.  I mean where would First Person Shooters be without Private military groups based off blackwater!

 



Lol!



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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IF Olberbitch reaally thought it was torture he wouldn't suggest this.



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CommunistHater said:
IF Olberbitch reaally thought it was torture he wouldn't suggest this.

 

No he would.  Olberman really hates conservatives.  He's a left wing Bill O'reily... except without the sexual fetishes.  Or at least we don't know them.

Well I take that back.  From all reports Bill O'Reily actually manufactures a lot of his personality while Olberman really is that crazy.



We train our own soldiers for chemical warfare, ergo we should use chemical warfare?



Kasz216 said:
CommunistHater said:
IF Olberbitch reaally thought it was torture he wouldn't suggest this.

 

No he would. Olberman really hates conservatives. He's a left wing Bill O'reily... except without the sexual fetishes. Or at least we don't know them.

Well I take that back. From all reports Bill O'Reily actually manufactures a lot of his personality while Olberman really is that crazy.

Charlie Brookers newswipe, season 1, episode 3 (or perhaps 2)... O'Reilly has anger manangement issues in real life, serious anger management issues. It's scary lol