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FinalEvangelion on 25 April 2009

It will probably be about the same, within 10%. Maybe even need a "recount"



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Squilliam on 25 April 2009
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
gran turismo 3 was bundled for a long time, and stuck around for the whole console generation, I can still go buy it in stores. So you would have to consider the whole user base as it is now, which is around 140 milion consoles. Halo 3 is up there with a mere 30 million. GT5 won't be near the same amount of success. I think prologue is a very good indicator of what it's sells will be, I would be very surprised if it sold more than a million or 2 more than prologue.

It well sell at least 4-5 mill more than that Prologue.

Once again, look at MGS4 vs MGS3. They sold around the same despite HUGE userbase differences. You think Gran Turismo would be any different?

That would still make it less than Halo 3 which is the subject of the thread.

 



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gergroy on 25 April 2009
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
gran turismo 3 was bundled for a long time, and stuck around for the whole console generation, I can still go buy it in stores. So you would have to consider the whole user base as it is now, which is around 140 milion consoles. Halo 3 is up there with a mere 30 million. GT5 won't be near the same amount of success. I think prologue is a very good indicator of what it's sells will be, I would be very surprised if it sold more than a million or 2 more than prologue.

It well sell at least 4-5 mill more than that Prologue.

 

you say that with such certainty, do you have a time machine?  I honestly don't see how it could sell that many.  With a lifetime userbase going to be about half of what the ps1 was, I don't see how it could match the sells of the previous games. 

Plus, the racing genre is nearly as popular as it once was. 

 

Go back and read the edit....explain MGS4 vs MGS3 when the userbase is DRASTICALLY different.

 

pretty simple explaination really... Marketing.  Metal gear solid 4 had a huge marketing campaign and a near perfect review score.  Metal gear solid 3, on the other hand, had almost no marketing involved and did not fair that well in reviews.  Also, Metal gear solid 4 was bundled with the last backwards compatible model of ps3 sony offered.  So yeah, there are reasons for their sales equality. 

Now, if sony bundles gran turismo 5 like they did 3, then they might have a chance of selling your numbers.  Otherwise, I don't think the game has the capability of selling that much.

 



gergroy on 25 April 2009
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
gran turismo 3 was bundled for a long time, and stuck around for the whole console generation, I can still go buy it in stores. So you would have to consider the whole user base as it is now, which is around 140 milion consoles. Halo 3 is up there with a mere 30 million. GT5 won't be near the same amount of success. I think prologue is a very good indicator of what it's sells will be, I would be very surprised if it sold more than a million or 2 more than prologue.

It well sell at least 4-5 mill more than that Prologue.

 

you say that with such certainty, do you have a time machine?  I honestly don't see how it could sell that many.  With a lifetime userbase going to be about half of what the ps1 was, I don't see how it could match the sells of the previous games. 

Plus, the racing genre is nearly as popular as it once was. 

 

Go back and read the edit....explain MGS4 vs MGS3 when the userbase is DRASTICALLY different.

 

pretty simple explaination really... Marketing.  Metal gear solid 4 had a huge marketing campaign and a near perfect review score.  Metal gear solid 3, on the other hand, had almost no marketing involved and did not fair that well in reviews.  Also, Metal gear solid 4 was bundled with the last backwards compatible model of ps3 sony offered.  So yeah, there are reasons for their sales equality. 

Now, if sony bundles gran turismo 5 like they did 3, then they might have a chance of selling your numbers.  Otherwise, I don't think the game has the capability of selling that much.

 

MGS3 received underwhelming reviews, really? I'll investigate that.

However, do we know of how of those bundles were counted in VGs #s? Without that info, your point is rather moot. As for marketing, lol, you can bet your ass GT5 will have far more marketing than ANY PS3 exclusive to date.

 

as far as mgs3 reviews, it didn't get terrible reviews, just nothing near metal gear solid 4.  I think it average somewhere in the 8's if i remember correctly. 

no doubt sony will market the crap out of gt5, but thats not my point.  You were asking me to explain the sales of mgs4 in comparison to metal gear solid 3.  There is a huge difference in the marketing of those games.  The gran turismo games have always been heavily marketed. 

edit:  yeah, so mgs3 did a little better then i remember.  but still not as good as metal gear solid 4 which was my point.

 



disolitude on 25 April 2009

Nothing to ad other than Metal Gear 3 is awesome...



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--OkeyDokey-- on 25 April 2009

I'm probably the biggest Gran Turismo fanboy on this forum, but even I know there's no chance of GT5 outselling Halo 3.



gergroy on 25 April 2009
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
gran turismo 3 was bundled for a long time, and stuck around for the whole console generation, I can still go buy it in stores. So you would have to consider the whole user base as it is now, which is around 140 milion consoles. Halo 3 is up there with a mere 30 million. GT5 won't be near the same amount of success. I think prologue is a very good indicator of what it's sells will be, I would be very surprised if it sold more than a million or 2 more than prologue.

It well sell at least 4-5 mill more than that Prologue.

 

you say that with such certainty, do you have a time machine?  I honestly don't see how it could sell that many.  With a lifetime userbase going to be about half of what the ps1 was, I don't see how it could match the sells of the previous games. 

Plus, the racing genre is nearly as popular as it once was. 

 

Go back and read the edit....explain MGS4 vs MGS3 when the userbase is DRASTICALLY different.

 

pretty simple explaination really... Marketing.  Metal gear solid 4 had a huge marketing campaign and a near perfect review score.  Metal gear solid 3, on the other hand, had almost no marketing involved and did not fair that well in reviews.  Also, Metal gear solid 4 was bundled with the last backwards compatible model of ps3 sony offered.  So yeah, there are reasons for their sales equality. 

Now, if sony bundles gran turismo 5 like they did 3, then they might have a chance of selling your numbers.  Otherwise, I don't think the game has the capability of selling that much.

 

MGS3 received underwhelming reviews, really? I'll investigate that.

However, do we know of how of those bundles were counted in VGs #s? Without that info, your point is rather moot. As for marketing, lol, you can bet your ass GT5 will have far more marketing than ANY PS3 exclusive to date.

 

as far as mgs3 reviews, it didn't get terrible reviews, just nothing near metal gear solid 4.  I think it average somewhere in the 8's if i remember correctly. 

no doubt sony will market the crap out of gt5, but thats not my point.  You were asking me to explain the sales of mgs4 in comparison to metal gear solid 3.  There is a huge difference in the marketing of those games.  The gran turismo games have always been heavily marketed. 

 

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/metalgearsolid3snakeeater?q=Metal%20Gear%20Solid%203

Uummm, look again at the reviews my friend, MGS3 is a measley 3 points behind MGS4. So now that that's been proven wrong, unless you can absolutely come up with some proof of marketing, I'm not convinced that GT5 can't do 9mill WW, easily, which was my point to begin with.

 

lol, I don't care enough to try and convince you of anything.  Fact of the matter is this is nothing but speculation.  I'm entitled to my opinion and you yours.  I think you are a little overzealous with your prediction, but that is how most fanboys are.  However, I have more important things to do with my time then hunt down useless information to try and prove a point.  especially when that information may or may not be relevant. so good day to you.

 



Squilliam on 25 April 2009

@CGI, oh I see so you were responding to a GT5 = 5M comment?



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Squilliam on 25 April 2009



You hurt me...



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gergroy on 25 April 2009
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
CGI-Quality said:
gergroy said:
gran turismo 3 was bundled for a long time, and stuck around for the whole console generation, I can still go buy it in stores. So you would have to consider the whole user base as it is now, which is around 140 milion consoles. Halo 3 is up there with a mere 30 million. GT5 won't be near the same amount of success. I think prologue is a very good indicator of what it's sells will be, I would be very surprised if it sold more than a million or 2 more than prologue.

It well sell at least 4-5 mill more than that Prologue.

 

you say that with such certainty, do you have a time machine?  I honestly don't see how it could sell that many.  With a lifetime userbase going to be about half of what the ps1 was, I don't see how it could match the sells of the previous games. 

Plus, the racing genre is nearly as popular as it once was. 

 

Go back and read the edit....explain MGS4 vs MGS3 when the userbase is DRASTICALLY different.

 

pretty simple explaination really... Marketing.  Metal gear solid 4 had a huge marketing campaign and a near perfect review score.  Metal gear solid 3, on the other hand, had almost no marketing involved and did not fair that well in reviews.  Also, Metal gear solid 4 was bundled with the last backwards compatible model of ps3 sony offered.  So yeah, there are reasons for their sales equality. 

Now, if sony bundles gran turismo 5 like they did 3, then they might have a chance of selling your numbers.  Otherwise, I don't think the game has the capability of selling that much.

 

MGS3 received underwhelming reviews, really? I'll investigate that.

However, do we know of how of those bundles were counted in VGs #s? Without that info, your point is rather moot. As for marketing, lol, you can bet your ass GT5 will have far more marketing than ANY PS3 exclusive to date.

 

as far as mgs3 reviews, it didn't get terrible reviews, just nothing near metal gear solid 4.  I think it average somewhere in the 8's if i remember correctly. 

no doubt sony will market the crap out of gt5, but thats not my point.  You were asking me to explain the sales of mgs4 in comparison to metal gear solid 3.  There is a huge difference in the marketing of those games.  The gran turismo games have always been heavily marketed. 

 

 

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/metalgearsolid3snakeeater?q=Metal%20Gear%20Solid%203

Uummm, look again at the reviews my friend, MGS3 is a measley 3 points behind MGS4. So now that that's been proven wrong, unless you can absolutely come up with some proof of marketing, I'm not convinced that GT5 can't do 9mill WW, easily, which was my point to begin with.

 

lol, I don't care enough to try and convince you of anything.  Fact of the matter is this is nothing but speculation.  I'm entitled to my opinion and you yours.  I think you are a little overzealous with your prediction, but that is how most fanboys are.  However, I have more important things to do with my time then hunt down useless information to try and prove a point.  especially when that information may or may not be relevant. so good day to you.

 

It's clear you know very little of me, I'll give you that. You should also look up the word "fanboy", since people who can't seem to hold an argument usually revert to calling me that, which is hysterical.

Regardless, the information I provided to you was not only legit, but useful. You made a bold claim, I refutted it with FACT. Your opinions can't change my prediction as my opinions can't change yours, that's fine. However, in the future, if you're going to make assumptions, provide proof or it's moot. Everyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a "fanboy". If you can't stand a healthy debate, you shouldn't post in the forums.

Grow tougher skin bud, and good day to you

 

haha, you are the one that seems to be getting heated here.  I think my skin is plenty tough, yours might need some toughening though.  you only refutted part of my claim, which is where i claimed that mgs3 didn't review as well as mgs4.  Which is true, but not by as large a margin as i thought.  That is the only thing you refutted.  I decided to give up on the debate because I don't care enough to go looking for facts on marketing which may or may not exist on the internet.  You never even talked about how MGS4 was bundled and how that might affected sales.

As for the fanboy comment, I have seen enough of your posts to know that you favor the ps3 over other systems.  To me, fanboy means a person who favors one system over another.  The comment was hardly meant as an insult either.  I was just merely stating how fanboys (or people who favor one system) are generally more overzealous with their predictions.