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Akvod said:
sega4life said:

For the Blu-ray part...

 

Blu-ray will Not succeed because of Portable DvD players, and more importantly In vehicle DvD players..

If they start to package DvD's with Blu-Ray I can see Blu-Ray getting a leg up..

but... families like mine go into a store to purchase a movie we think:

DvD: I can watch it on All my TV's in my home, at the park, in the vehicle..

Blu-Ray: I can watch it in the living room, I can use the Digital version on my PC... and try...try... and get it to my cell phone..

 

If Sony made the PS3 without Blu-Ray (Held them back, still cost them money) it would be #1 with no doubt... but Sony just has to shove another format down your throat and make you B_E_L_I_E_V_E it's the new format and everyone should own it, as if nothing new is coming out in the next few years...

People buy consoles to play games, not formats, Sony thought "hey PS2 had DvD and it sold like crazy"... but that was a transition from VHS, ... (Tapes, lose quality, have to rewind, no scene selection format,) and thought Blu-ray would have the same impact... but well... if we were still in VHS, fuck ya... but were not...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see, especially after the last oil crisis, mini-vans with dvd players and mini tv's being wide spread... at least not as wide spread as HD Tvs.

You don't see DvD players wide spread in vehicles because of oil prices? as if the high cost of oil made in vehicle DvD players that were sold vanish?

kind of the same way that if you can't afford gas, then a New HDTV shouldn't be in your budget? let alone a Blu-ray or PS3?

There are more Portable DvD players and in vehicles DvD players then HDTV's in homes, and with the Gas Prices dealerships have been throwing in DvD players with vehicles for free as incentives.

Not to mention your forgetting the in home DvD Players, they are everywhere.... PS2's, Xbox's, Built in TV's...

Think of it like you and your wife/husband wants to spend alone time with each other, you grab a DvD bring it to the kids room DvD player and let them watch it... just like you can use the DvD format in majority of the places rather then a Blu-ray..

Your about to go on a trip, kids will be kicking and screaming in the back the whole ride, need something to keep them quite..

You have family videos you want to put on DvD.. why? because you can bring it to EVERYONE in your family, because they ALL have DvD players, and if they don't like grandma and grandpa, bring them a $29.00 DvD when you go over there...

Shit that's cheaper then a burnable Blu-ray disc...

Thats what appeals to a parent..

 


If your young... well... it's just hard to understand..

 



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Sony is a big brand, they will come back, once the yen gets weak again, and manufacturing costs come down, it will be VERY cheap.



theprof00 said:
sony is already making a lot of money on BR deals.

PS3 is also now making money, though not solely on hardware.

With the intense competition this gen, shouldn't you be professing how incredible they are doing and how smart the decisions that are being made are? They have ~20% of the market share with a 400$ console. It has never happened before.

Yes Sony, isn't doing as well as last gen, but let's face it, Sony set that bar itself. Sony is doing fine at the moment. They are smart brilliant people and will be on top once again in the future.

 

 Ummmm NO!  The ps3 is NOT making money.  Show me 1 financial report that says the ps3 made sony 1 yen/cent.

They made 4 million in their games division over the busiest shopping season of the year.  This means the psp and ps2 BARELY covered all the ps3 losses.  The quarter before that they lost 379 million $$$ in games division.

Nuff said



Sony just did what Nintendo did between SNES and N64 Overestimated their Brandname Sony right now just wants to make profits and move on to the next gen for their PSP/PS3 and continue to make games for their current gen...at least thats what i bet.



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sega4life said:
Akvod said:
sega4life said:

For the Blu-ray part...

 

Blu-ray will Not succeed because of Portable DvD players, and more importantly In vehicle DvD players..

If they start to package DvD's with Blu-Ray I can see Blu-Ray getting a leg up..

but... families like mine go into a store to purchase a movie we think:

DvD: I can watch it on All my TV's in my home, at the park, in the vehicle..

Blu-Ray: I can watch it in the living room, I can use the Digital version on my PC... and try...try... and get it to my cell phone..

 

If Sony made the PS3 without Blu-Ray (Held them back, still cost them money) it would be #1 with no doubt... but Sony just has to shove another format down your throat and make you B_E_L_I_E_V_E it's the new format and everyone should own it, as if nothing new is coming out in the next few years...

People buy consoles to play games, not formats, Sony thought "hey PS2 had DvD and it sold like crazy"... but that was a transition from VHS, ... (Tapes, lose quality, have to rewind, no scene selection format,) and thought Blu-ray would have the same impact... but well... if we were still in VHS, fuck ya... but were not...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see, especially after the last oil crisis, mini-vans with dvd players and mini tv's being wide spread... at least not as wide spread as HD Tvs.

 

There are more Portable DvD players and in vehicles DvD players then HDTV's in homes, and with the Gas Prices dealerships have been throwing in DvD players with vehicles for free as incentives.

Not to mention your forgetting the in home DvD Players, they are everywhere.... PS2's, Xbox's, Built in TV's...

Think of it like you and your wife/husband wants to spend alone time with each other, you grab a DvD bring it to the kids room DvD player and let them watch it... just like you can use the DvD format in majority of the places rather then a Blu-ray..

Your about to go on a trip, kids will be kicking and screaming in the back the whole ride, need something to keep them quite..

You have family videos you want to put on DvD.. why? because you can bring it to EVERYONE in your family, because they ALL have DvD players, and if they don't like grandma and grandpa, bring them a $29.00 DvD when you go over there...

Shit that's cheaper then a burnable Blu-ray disc...

Thats what appeals to a parent..

 


If your young... well... it's just hard to understand..

 

Yes, I'm young... I'm not saying that Blu-ray is going to overcome the DVD in a only a few years, but that it will simply grow significantly, while DVDs can only go down.

Obviously there's a shit load of DVD players around, you don't need to tell em that. I think that DVDs have reached their near peak of saturation, and more players aren't going to result in more sales in DVDs anymore, as everyone has at least 1.

I can see your point about DVDs in cars, I used to play travel hockey, and I saw one of my team mates looking at the DVDs sold at the place (which were $20 O.o, and so he passed). However I don't you think you're overestimating the effect minivans with tv's will have? You make it sound like it's going to be a huge revolution, due to your personal experience as a parent who travels a lot. What about young single people like me who have disposable income? If you were in charge of the movie industry, you'll be shooting down every gory R-rated film because the only time you go to the theatre is to watch kid films. And even though you'll be buying the next disney film on DVD, are you really just not going to buy a Bluray player at all, and never buy a film just for yourself and your wife? Are you going to stay at SD forever, or is BR just an exception, and wait until Super HD is finally broadcasted on TV?

You mentioned in your previous post portable DVD players. I don't want to lug something bigger than a CD player (and the DVD collection), when I can just use my iPod touch.

As for your overall argument of how Bluray is expensive, and DVD is cheap, you can apply that to most technology. Why buy a PS3/360, when a PS2 is cheaper? Why did you buy an HD tv in the first place? To experience HD resolution, with games and tv only?

And you don't think that Bluray will eventually become cheaper? Do you really think nobody will buy a Bluray movie if it becomes $15, in favor of a movie on DVD?

I don't understand why only HD movies are considered undesireable. We can continue to use your logic, when Super HD comes, and the next set of resolutions come. Nobody think it's worth watching movies in HD, so they'll continue to watch in SD.

I'm tired, I need to sleep =/ My young brain needs the rest.



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CMoney said:
theprof00 said:
sony is already making a lot of money on BR deals.

PS3 is also now making money, though not solely on hardware.

With the intense competition this gen, shouldn't you be professing how incredible they are doing and how smart the decisions that are being made are? They have ~20% of the market share with a 400$ console. It has never happened before.

Yes Sony, isn't doing as well as last gen, but let's face it, Sony set that bar itself. Sony is doing fine at the moment. They are smart brilliant people and will be on top once again in the future.

 

 Ummmm NO!  The ps3 is NOT making money.  Show me 1 financial report that says the ps3 made sony 1 yen/cent.

They made 4 million in their games division over the busiest shopping season of the year.  This means the psp and ps2 BARELY covered all the ps3 losses.  The quarter before that they lost 379 million $$$ in games division.

Nuff said

others know better than I, but I'm pretty sure all Sony needs to do is sell one game or two per console and they are in the clear.

Right now they have a 5 game per console attach rate, so they are making money.

Nuff said.

 



sega4life said:

For the Blu-ray part...

 

Blu-ray will Not succeed because of Portable DvD players, and more importantly In vehicle DvD players..

If they start to package DvD's with Blu-Ray I can see Blu-Ray getting a leg up..

but... families like mine go into a store to purchase a movie we think:

DvD: I can watch it on All my TV's in my home, at the park, in the vehicle..

Blu-Ray: I can watch it in the living room, I can use the Digital version on my PC... and try...try... and get it to my cell phone..

 

If Sony made the PS3 without Blu-Ray (Held them back, still cost them money) it would be #1 with no doubt... but Sony just has to shove another format down your throat and make you B_E_L_I_E_V_E it's the new format and everyone should own it, as if nothing new is coming out in the next few years...

People buy consoles to play games, not formats, Sony thought "hey PS2 had DvD and it sold like crazy"... but that was a transition from VHS, ... (Tapes, lose quality, have to rewind, no scene selection format,) and thought Blu-ray would have the same impact... but well... if we were still in VHS, fuck ya... but were not...

 

 

 

 

 

I think people shud start enjoying nature a little bit more rather then watch a dvd in the park lol.

Just joking btw.

 



 

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I don't know if I am going to buy a movie and can play it in both DVD or Blu-Ray, I will definitely get the Blu-Ray version, no matter how many number of dvd players I have at home. Especially the price of a Blu-Ray isn't that much more than the DVD...I'd rather watch the movie in HD than on a portable or in vehicles...that's what the DS is for : P



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The whole thing about BR is that it is a luxury. It's the new thing.
It doesn't have all the applications and penetration that DVD has, but it doesn't matter. BR will get cheaper. People will keep buying it.



yo_john117 said:
They learned their lesson this gen.
And will most likely know better next gen.

 

Really could not have said it better myself.

 

Sony screwed up this generation with the PS3, how they thought a $600 console would be the industry leader remains beyond me. Next generation you will not see a huge leap in specs, at best the PS3 specs on steroids which will be cheap to manufacture but still be extremely powerful.