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In regards to RAM, you forget that Sony requires 74 MB (I think of the Cell accessible half) to be reserved for OS and other background Ops, where as Microsoft only requires 40MB. This makes a memory difference.

Also, you say the DRAM on 360 isn't large enough for High resolutions. This is true, but then you have to ask yourself: Why does 10MB DRAM take almost 100million transistors? The answer is it isn't all for memory. Most of it goes into some advanced hardware pixel interpolation, so they can use lower resolution images. No substitute for the real thing (you can't get extra resolution without computing) and is clearly another indicator MS thought 720p or 1080i would be 'enough', but it does mean they should never have to tap into system memory as a display buffer. That's an extra 10MB saved then for 360.



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These links have more detailed analysis of the PS3 and 360 hardware.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=758390

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1



elnino334 said:
phil said:

elnino334:

This was supposed to be a comparison of the *technical* merits of the two systems, not their sales numbers.


I was referring to the "technical" merits. His title did say "mostly technical" and he gave all this info to basically show that the ps3 will be just fine etc. From what I read which was pretty long his making out the ps3 to be way ahead of the 360. Someone posted an article about the "technical" merits of the 360 which blew away the ps3 because the gpu is way ahead of it yet this guy says is about the same or yet the rsx is better. Bottomline is this comparison is baised and that is what I was pointing out.


If you disagree with that analysis, perhaps you'd care to point out why.  What errors are made in his technical analysis?



phil said:
elnino334 said:
phil said:

elnino334:

This was supposed to be a comparison of the *technical* merits of the two systems, not their sales numbers.


I was referring to the "technical" merits. His title did say "mostly technical" and he gave all this info to basically show that the ps3 will be just fine etc. From what I read which was pretty long his making out the ps3 to be way ahead of the 360. Someone posted an article about the "technical" merits of the 360 which blew away the ps3 because the gpu is way ahead of it yet this guy says is about the same or yet the rsx is better. Bottomline is this comparison is baised and that is what I was pointing out.


If you disagree with that analysis, perhaps you'd care to point out why.  What errors are made in his technical analysis?


Sorry not going to bother with this as in the end it doesn't matter.  I think the article is very baised but that is just me.  I prefer to comment on more concrete stuff but foolishly posted here after I finished reading but after thinking about it I felt it should be obvious to people. 




Okay, now it sounds like a 80386 vs 68020 thread.


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elnino334 said:
phil said:
elnino334 said:
phil said:

elnino334:

This was supposed to be a comparison of the *technical* merits of the two systems, not their sales numbers.


I was referring to the "technical" merits. His title did say "mostly technical" and he gave all this info to basically show that the ps3 will be just fine etc. From what I read which was pretty long his making out the ps3 to be way ahead of the 360. Someone posted an article about the "technical" merits of the 360 which blew away the ps3 because the gpu is way ahead of it yet this guy says is about the same or yet the rsx is better. Bottomline is this comparison is baised and that is what I was pointing out.


If you disagree with that analysis, perhaps you'd care to point out why. What errors are made in his technical analysis?


Sorry not going to bother with this as in the end it doesn't matter. I think the article is very baised but that is just me. I prefer to comment on more concrete stuff but foolishly posted here after I finished reading but after thinking about it I felt it should be obvious to people.


 I'm not going to argue that the OP doesn't have a pro-PS3 bias.  But you see, that's the wonderful thing about technical analyses.  It doesn't matter what the bias of the person is... if their analysis can be shown to be wrong, then it's very clearly wrong.  If you can't pinpoint a problem with the analysis, then the analysis is correct, except for the possibility of a few logical fallacies, such as fact picking.  In the end, bias can easily be weeded out.

 What could be more concrete than that?  Sales numbers and opinions?



MikeB said:
@ gebx

Well so far all we've received from the PS3 is a 6 hour action game, and a Giant uncontrollable... Ostrich...


You are probably talking about Heavenly Sword and Lair. Heavenly Sword provides some excellent visuals and has its impressive moments with thousands of troops on screen. I haven''t played Lair yet, but there are techically impressive moments in this game as well judging from videos. Also recently Warhawk was released which received many lofty reviews, it's a good multi-player game but unlike others on a larger scale as you can fight with Warhawks high up in the sky. I like game diversity and that's something I expect to see more on the PS3 than on the XBox 360.

However these are just some first generation exclusives, many more are yet to come. Please note that the development of high budget games often take huge development teams and multiple years to complete. For example mature dev kits weren't even available since a few months before the PS3 launched.

Yet IMO Super Stardust HD already shows off some great PS3 potential, I am currently ranked within the top 100 and I can say this game is very impressive!


http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

This link offers a more unbiased, non-partisan and accurate examination of the two consoles, highlighting the strenghts and weaknesses of the two consoles.

Its interesting that when discussing blu-ray you failed to mention the incredible shortness and lack of depth to this years flagship title for PS3, Heavenly Sword.

Furthermore, you failed to discuss Sony's apparent inability to produce near lossless compression like Microsoft can, which is easily seen when examining the company's comments regarding the size of titles like Motorstorm and Killzone 2.

You also offer an incredibly biased view of the online capabilities of each console.  I noticed you lacked links in this section, presumably because almost every single gaming site heralds Xbox Live as a gaming revolution and stating that with the PSN you get what you pay for.

Also, when discussing the PS3's blu-ray capabilities you referenced one or two sites that complement its media software, ignoring the many that claim it is far from perfect. Furthermore, you ignored the recent progress of HD DVD and the emergence of online distribution and two more hard-copy formats, which sounds very much like your prematurely recommending an expensive format that may become obsolete.

Ignoring your many inaccurate comments about the Wii's gameplay capabilites, which far exceed those of the PS3 based on all currently-available games (and no, i dont own a Wii), you offer an accumulation of the price of many peripherals with the Xbox 360 console. Im unsure where you were trying to go with this, except to say that you appear to think Sony was right to make its loyal fans pay extra money for featues they dont need and which may become obsolete.

All in all I hope you and your Wife are enjoying your NDS's, because it sounds a bit like your missing anything enjoyable to play onyour PS3, and i sense a little bit of desperation in your highly biased attempts to justify your purchase.



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MikeB said:

No, that's just selective reading, the exact quote is:

"For example Wii Sports and Wii Play are easy to get into party games, fun little games that will interest traditional gamers and probably more importantly your girlfriend, mom and maybe even your grandparents!"

Nice try.

 


"Nice try"?  I'm not trying to discredit you, I'm trying to explain why people are going to react that way to your analysis.  Obviously, I'm not the only one who sees this.



MikeB said:

<snip>

me and my girlfriend both own a NDS and currently a Playstation 3. We sometimes have fun with friends playing on the Nintendo Wii and we sold a XBox 360 after experiencing technical and support problems. 

<snip>

So, much more than a more elegant all-in-one $500 PS3 60GB!



To follow the format above...

Opinion:  Yes.

Conclusion:  Biased.

Discussion:  No.

bugmenot said:
In regards to RAM, you forget that Sony requires 74 MB (I think of the Cell accessible half) to be reserved for OS and other background Ops, where as Microsoft only requires 40MB. This makes a memory difference.


Is this the latest number? I know that with every big update, the PS3 number is being reduced thus making this less and less of a factor. If you could tell me if this is the current number or the one at the PS3's launch then that would help in comparing.



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