Haha keep rocking M$ :D
ymeaga1n said:
lol. No one forced MS to make it option. They did it on their own.
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can you please go and research before posting false accusations, they got sued for it!
Jordahn said:
Actually, this credit goes to IBM for starting the opened architecture PC in the first place since it was they who started this concept then they when to Microsoft for an OS. It really helped in competing in the hardware business because you had and now have a variety of viable hardware manufactures. But software it's a different story with Microsoft monopolizing that market. We'd be further ahead in software if there were more competition in software. |
And they even cloned CP/M to make MS-DOS. Nothing they've ever done has been original or innovative.
Soleron said:
1. No you can't, without paying royalties. Tools (like ffmpeg) exist to convert them but are illegal under US law. 2. Yes, but my school (and for example many workplaces) forces me to use WMV and MS Office files and have a computer compatible with them at home. Whereas these places don't require me to have Super Mario Galaxy.
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1.) There are tons of avi to wmv converters out there, pick one up. If you can't find a free one then buy one if you need it.
2.) That is an issue with your school, not microsoft. You should take it up with your school, and have them provide you with what you need, or use school resources to create the files you can't use at home.
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Soleron said:
And they even cloned CP/M to make MS-DOS. Nothing they've ever done has been original or innovative.
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Very true, indeed...
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Words Of Wisdom said:
You have no idea how much it amuses me to watch the antics of posters like Soleron, vlad321, and several other posters who haven't posted in here yet. |
Same here, it's absolutely hilarious to follow this stuff. XD
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| CrashMan said: You can convert them to other formats. Is it also fair for someone's IP to be freely distributed (and a file format IS IP) simply because other people want to use it on something other than windows? People have the option NOT to use Windows and therefore you can't use WMV formats natively. Just like if you opt NOT to buy a Wii, you can't (legally) play Super Mario Galaxy. They have every right to protect their IPs and leverage them to gain market share and make a profit. |
Incidentally, this is false. A clean-room reverse-engineered software or hardware emulator is perfectly legal.
In the same way, the Samba guys reverse-engineered MS's SMB network protocol in a perfectly legal way.
As to their IPs, they can leverage them alright. It's just that they are doing a disservice to the users, so much that many States started to request open standards for files of public interest, thus excluding .doc files and moving towards the OpenOffice XML standard. Which in turn caused MS to start the transition to their new OOXML file format and the following ISO fiasco (google for it).
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CrashMan said:
1.) There are tons of avi to wmv converters out there, pick one up. If you can't find a free one then buy one if you need it. 2.) That is an issue with your school, not microsoft. You should take it up with your school, and have them provide you with what you need, or use school resources to create the files you can't use at home. |
1) Okay, but it's still illegal to use them without directly or indirectly paying royalties to MS. I'm trying to make the point that through bundling stuff and using closed formats, they are deliberately obstructing competition. Not that it's impossible to circumvent this but for an average user who has no clue they just stick with MS and for people with more experience they rely on one or more Windows-only apps. Not that it's illegal but I think it's a sad state of affairs.
2) Actually it's a legal requirement in the UK that schools use Windows (software must be from authorised suppliers), and a county council requirement that schools use IE according to the IT department. So I can't argue against it. I have repeatedly asked if teachers could make files availble in formats I can read without breaking the law or having compatibility issues (specifically not WMA, WMV, MP3, Office, etc.) but this has been refused. I was banned from the IT system for running programs on my account to read the files I send from home).
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When I can use Linux and still have access to everything I would have if I ran Windows, I will stop being angry about it. I'm not expecting MS to suddenly lose marketshare.
| WereKitten said: @Vlad321
Sorry, but most of what you said about UIs, OS costs, Macs, the story of Internet, coding standards is simply false. - Windows had the worst WIMP UI of its time: Mac OS classic had a lot of technical problems with its architecture, but the UI was where it shone. AmigaOS, OS/2, BeOS were all better interfaces than Windows in the 90s. - Windows was not cheaper than the alternative OSs that were also licensed for any PC. The IBM OS/2 could even run windows application and in its Warp incarnations had a much better foundation than any non-NT-based Windows ever had. - Apple chose to go Intel because it offered a better CPU roadmap than the Power architecture, but coding for the Mac didn't change at all. Basically all it took was recompiling the sources. It did not make coding for the Mac any more "viable" than when it was on the Power architecture. - Why would Windows be the saviour from an expensive Apple monopoly? The alternative is not between a MS monopoly and an Apple one. Ever heard of Linux or BeOS? Any monopoly will stifle real innovation: even when it promotes standards, it places the control of those standards into the hands of a single entity. Then that entity will let that standard go stale or force update cycles depending on its commercial needs. Not all standards are born equal: whatusers really gain from are open standards, if they are smartly designed and updated. - Internet was not "a mess", it was simply in its infancy. There was no more mess than today's technologies (Web pages, eMail, RSS, FTP, newsgroups, Flash...) - Actually MS have held back most interesting web technologies for all they could because they didn't want the spotlight to move from local to web development, where they can't control the environment. They have been forced into having a rich web mail client and a web office infrastructure, but they have been dragged kicking and screaming by the like of Google. The advances in Internet happened despite MS and IE, not thanks to them. Whatever MS could not control and "standardize" in their own way actually evolved at a blistering pace. Just look at Apache vs IIS, at Postgres and MySQL vs MS SQL Server, at Gmail and Google Maps and all the Google AJAX services, at PHP vs ASP... they are the backbone of the small-medium sites and services that make the Internet that we know. I suggest you read a bit about all these subjects. I suspect that you have a restricted point of view because you haven't had a wide enough first-hand experience both in timespan and variety of tools. |
UI compared to DOS. I fully realize there were other GUIs out when Windows was released, mainly Apple's. And overall, Windows 1.0-2.1 were just addendums to DOS. It's with DOS that Microsoft started dominating and putting a computer everywhere. Again, back then theonly other serious competitor was Apple and they just overpriced their computers. Under that the computer would not have spread so fast and so quickly. The only reason Internet grew so fast was because computers were so widespread by the time it was taking off. There is no Internet without the computers to use it.
Also you mention OS/2, which was developed by IBM and Microsoft, and Microsoft even said OS/2 was the future, calling it Windows Plus. The problem was, just like Apple, Windows 3.0 and DOS came out bundled with just about all computers manufactured, rather cheaply to, while OS/2 sold at retailers and cost a lot more than the bundled Window 3.0, not to mention the lack of drivers for like printers and other things not made by IBM.
The other real competitors came way after computers were widespread (Linux in '91 or so) and there probably would not have been complaining bitching people if they didn't have access to computers to begin with. Access granted by Microsoft.
Look I'm no lover of Microsoft, I'm a CS major and I'd love to get the source code, however credit where credit is due. Microsoft propelled the explosions of the computers, and solely Microsoft. If it had been left to other competitors, with the prices they wanted, we wouldn't have even reached the point where the internet would have begun to be used on such a wide scale, much less have people bitch about companies stifling it. Hate it, spit on it, but the reason why you're enjoying information traded so easily is because of Microsoft.
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