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nightsurge on 24 April 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
@ nightsurge

Seektimes and average transfer rates have already been addressed earlier within this thread, besides the original capacity topic.

So then you do not deny the 360's drive is faster when seek times and everything else is taken into account?  Just using average transfer rates gives a misinformed picture.

Like I said, any such comparisons regarding worst case scenario seektimes are wrong. If you take the maximum data capacity of a 360 DVD, like 6.8 GB, it won't have worse seektimes. Only if you go well beyond that capacity, worst case scenario seektimes are worse, but by far not as bad as the time involved with changing discs.

Just reread this thread and follow the links, it's all pretty well explained.

 

Stop being stubborn Mike.  Admit you were wrong and that the 360's DVD drive is faster and does read data off of 360 games faster than a Blu-Ray drive reads data off of PS3 games.

After people proved you wrong in this thread, you ignored their posts.  You only posted information to those whom did not know what they were talking about, because you knew you could get them to be confused and believe you based on your flawed arguments.  Just admit the 360's drive is faster and reads faster... Just do it.... it won't hurt admitting you were wrong.  I promise.

 

You do know that discussions are not about who is right or wrong, cuz that's childish, but there about being informed and having an understanding of what's actually being discussed....just a thought.

 

I'm sorry.  It's hard not to act childish when discussing with Mike.  Anyways, in that case, MikeB please admit that you were "informed" of your inaccuracy and that the 360's drive is faster.

 



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jake_the_fake1 on 24 April 2009
nightsurge said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
@ nightsurge

Seektimes and average transfer rates have already been addressed earlier within this thread, besides the original capacity topic.

So then you do not deny the 360's drive is faster when seek times and everything else is taken into account?  Just using average transfer rates gives a misinformed picture.

Like I said, any such comparisons regarding worst case scenario seektimes are wrong. If you take the maximum data capacity of a 360 DVD, like 6.8 GB, it won't have worse seektimes. Only if you go well beyond that capacity, worst case scenario seektimes are worse, but by far not as bad as the time involved with changing discs.

Just reread this thread and follow the links, it's all pretty well explained.

 

Stop being stubborn Mike.  Admit you were wrong and that the 360's DVD drive is faster and does read data off of 360 games faster than a Blu-Ray drive reads data off of PS3 games.

After people proved you wrong in this thread, you ignored their posts.  You only posted information to those whom did not know what they were talking about, because you knew you could get them to be confused and believe you based on your flawed arguments.  Just admit the 360's drive is faster and reads faster... Just do it.... it won't hurt admitting you were wrong.  I promise.

 

You do know that discussions are not about who is right or wrong, cuz that's childish, but there about being informed and having an understanding of what's actually being discussed....just a thought.

 

I'm sorry.  It's hard not to act childish when discussing with Mike.  Anyways, in that case, MikeB please admit that you were "informed" of your inaccuracy and that the 360's drive is faster.

 

inner track no, average for a DL disc no, outer track yes, average for SL disc yes, please clarify when making such statments, since it's dependant  where it's a SL or DL or weather the lens is reading the inner track or outer track, or weather your refering to obsolute values or average values, cuz you can be right but also wrong.

 



nightsurge on 24 April 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:
nightsurge said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
@ nightsurge

Seektimes and average transfer rates have already been addressed earlier within this thread, besides the original capacity topic.

So then you do not deny the 360's drive is faster when seek times and everything else is taken into account?  Just using average transfer rates gives a misinformed picture.

Like I said, any such comparisons regarding worst case scenario seektimes are wrong. If you take the maximum data capacity of a 360 DVD, like 6.8 GB, it won't have worse seektimes. Only if you go well beyond that capacity, worst case scenario seektimes are worse, but by far not as bad as the time involved with changing discs.

Just reread this thread and follow the links, it's all pretty well explained.

 

Stop being stubborn Mike.  Admit you were wrong and that the 360's DVD drive is faster and does read data off of 360 games faster than a Blu-Ray drive reads data off of PS3 games.

After people proved you wrong in this thread, you ignored their posts.  You only posted information to those whom did not know what they were talking about, because you knew you could get them to be confused and believe you based on your flawed arguments.  Just admit the 360's drive is faster and reads faster... Just do it.... it won't hurt admitting you were wrong.  I promise.

 

You do know that discussions are not about who is right or wrong, cuz that's childish, but there about being informed and having an understanding of what's actually being discussed....just a thought.

 

I'm sorry.  It's hard not to act childish when discussing with Mike.  Anyways, in that case, MikeB please admit that you were "informed" of your inaccuracy and that the 360's drive is faster.

 

inner track no, average for a DL disc no, outer track yes, average for SL disc yes, please clarify when making such statments, since it's dependant  where it's a SL or DL or weather the lens is reading the inner track or outer track, or weather your refering to obsolute values or average values, cuz you can be right but also wrong.

 

Ok, inner track is not used for game data, but DRM.  And also, you are not counting in seek times, but are basing this solely off of transfer rates.  Pretty much all 360 games except a very select few are on DL.  So counting in seek times AND read speeds/transfer rates for the outer tracks on a DL disk (which is basically all 360 games), the 360 drive is faster.

 



MikeB on 24 April 2009

@ nightsurge

Let's end this in agreement shall we?

Let's agree the 360 drive is much noisier, can hold much less data and is far more scratch prone, OK? I think we can *all* agree on that.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

nightsurge on 24 April 2009
MikeB said:

@ nightsurge

Let's end this in agreement shall we?

Let's agree the 360 drive is much noisier, can hold much less data and is far more scratch prone, OK? I think we can *all* agree on that.

You are pure evil, Mike.

Although, mine's pretty quiet because I install all my games, and has never scratched a disc

But I do agree that the majority of 360 drives fits your description.



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Guiding Light on 24 April 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:
2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))
Single Layer (2x CLV) - Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
Double Layer - Couldn't find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.

Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.

12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)
SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)

SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
DL DVD is 1.07MB/s < SL Blu-ray

Majority of 360 games are on DVD-9.

Sources:
Hitachi 12x DVD-Rom Faq (Page 2)
http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs...ead%20speed%22
What is DVD?
http://www.videohelp.com/dvd
Blu-ray.com Blu-ray FAQ
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/
Wikipedia - Constant Linear Velocity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_linear_velocity
Wikipedia - Constant Angular Velocity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_angular_velocity

 

 WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The DVD Drive in the Xbox 360 has a max transfer speed of 12x for BOTH single layer and double layer

Therefore, you have just admitted that Xbox 360 has a faster maximum transfer rate, and a faster average overall transfer rate.

How do I know this?

Because I frequent forums where people flash their drive with modified firmware, the firmware is available in 5x\8x\12x (12x being the original unmodified firmware)

There is no such thing as a single layer Xbox 360 game, so why would you pluck that crap outta thin air, we all know the max speed of the 360 DVD drive is 12x it's not even up for debate. I've backed up my own games at 12x for heavens sake directly from the Xbox 360 drive...

 

Why do you think it's so damn noisy?

 

A drive spinning at 8x is nearly silent

 

 

 

Oh and your "sources" don't prove diddly squat. They aren't even sources. Just defenitions of CAV\CLV

 

...There's more than ONE Hitachi DVD drive in existence...you most likely don't even know the model numbers in the 360...

 

Well, they are

 

3120L Hitachi....Which ISN'T EVEN SOLD AT REATIL!!!!!

 

Man, talk about not knowing what your talking about.

 

FAKE indeed!



Guiding Light on 24 April 2009

Seriously man "The Majority of 360 games are on DVD9"...

If you didn't even know that ALL games are on DVD9 then you should just not post.



Guiding Light on 24 April 2009

With such lack of knowledge and such "sources"...You are surely MikeB



MikeB on 24 April 2009

@ Guiding Light

A drive spinning at 8x is nearly silent


The spinning doesn't slow, just the real world results become less (layer switching).

If you didn't even know that ALL games are on DVD9 then you should just not post.


Those games which are ~3.4 GB (or less, but those are very few) are on SL DVD (hybrid). 3.4 GB is common for early 360 games.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

slowmo on 24 April 2009

That still doesn't disprove his claim that the 360 drive actually reads at 12x for DL though MikeB.