vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
Vlad... i've already explained why that ranking is flawed in this thread. You just... kinda ignored it.
One of the main 5 factors is "Fairness of distribution" which is a measure of unviersal healthcare.
So... yeah Universal Healthcre is going to have an advantage when "Universal Healthcare" is one of the main factors.
Something to note from that report.
The United States ranks #1 in responsivness... and between 3-38 in the "Fairness" of responsiveness. 3-38 being too close to call.
It's really the most important thing on that list. Since things such as "Healthiness" (which the US still ranks pretty well in) are largely going to be affected by obesisty, culture (women constantly being told their fat) and the fact that health was judged by asking people how healthy they feel.
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How is that a wrong statistic? Isn't the fact that as many people as possible are getting taken care of, in one way or another, a sign of a good health system? If you have the best doctors, most advanced thech, EVERYTHING, what would it matter if only 1 million out of 300million could access it? That's quite a shitty health system.
That statistic is quite valid in the study. If you don't like it change your health system.
Edit: FINALLY people who read the documents.
Edit2: Forgot to address your 2nd point. How is responsiveness the most important factor? It's a mix between respect for persons (privvacy) and orienting the client in the right direction. Yeah I can tell someone "there is this magic cure, it cures EVERYTHING you should get it!" Then when he goes to get it he notices it costs 100k a month to use.
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Because that's not what it's judging. It's judging "Fairness in payment". As in how much you pay vs your income.
It has nothing to do with treatment.
Also... even if it had anything to do with what you were talking about. A country can still have great healthcare equality and just poor healthcare. If I have no healthcare plan at all and no doctors i score a perfect 100% for my country on "Equality of treatment".
Responsiveness is the best and the only good indicator because it's the only one based a resonable factor.
Health is flawed because it doesn't account for a number of factors.
1) Healthcare isn't soley responsible for Health there are numerous numerous other factors. Such as culture, food, types of foods eaten, personal attitudes of the people... etc.. Also just your definition of health.
2) "Fairness in payment". Is... well a statistic based soley around how socialized your country is.
3) Overall Goal attainement. Ok this one is actually an Ok metric... it judges just how often one gets the heatlhcare they would like to get.
4) Health cost expenditures per capita. Once again... highly depenedent on factors other then just your healthcare system.
When you look at the numbers... what you come up with for the American Healthcare system is these actual conclusions.
1) Americans feel like they are really unhealthy.
2) Americans get the fastest level of response to their problems in the world... even people with no health insurance
3) America payments are paid for with progressive taxation as much as other countries.
4) Americans rank very well when it comes to getting the treatment you would want. 15th. Over many socialized countries programs.
As you'll note if you've looked at the data.
Goal attainment doesn't match up well with How healthy you feel.
There are plenty of countries where the people in other countries feel much more healthy... yet they don't receive the treatments they want and they don't reach the level of health they want.