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Jo21 on 17 April 2009
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ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is choice. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.

they still feel souless, even if jrpg are sometimes they are linear (in storyline not gameplay ) their story get told in better way, there is more deeper meaning and than in WRPG and have a bigger impact than any WRPG have managed.

i mean even FPS managed to do it right with bioshock and they did not require sex scenes to get people talking about it.

which sound really for a RPG like a marketing gimmick.

and about the ending even games like fallout 3 don't managed to get that impact JRPG have ,  even because they are not crafted to be a big ending but rather tons of small ones.

 

Ok, so basically you're saying you don't want to give meaning to a character because the depth should just exist. Well then I don't really know if real RPG's are for you then man. You want a story or an adventure game. The only roleplaying aspect of JRPG's are the turned based battle systems and fixing up character attributes. 

Since you think sex was got people to play Fable 2, what might I ask inspired them to play the original Fable? What might I ask inspired people to play Mass Effect? Easy, Bioware was making it and they created KOTOR. To narrow down reasons to play a game to sex is to deny everything the game exists for the benefit of your logic.

JRPG's and WRPG's don't have to have expected endings. The question is...what the game good?

 

a game that can fullfill all atributes.

Epic Storyline, deep character development, great music, and long lasting impact in all RPGs.

and fun gameplay to make it additive to play for 100 hours.

last game that managed to do that? Persona 4.

 

 

Mass Effect meets that criteria perfectly.

it doesn't, unless u think lesbian sex its deep character development >_>

 



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Rei on 18 April 2009

Is that really surprising? The 'j' in 'jRPG' clearly suggests who are these games are targeted at. They arent meant to appeal to westeners.

A lot of people somehow are under the impression that because Final Fantasy and Pokemon are popular in the West then that means that the jRPG genre as a whole is popular and appealing to western people. It is not.



Riachu on 18 April 2009
Rei said:
Is that really surprising? The 'j' in 'jRPG' clearly suggests who are these games are targeted at. They arent meant to appeal to westeners.

A lot of people somehow are under the impression that because Final Fantasy and Pokemon are popular in the West then that means that the jRPG genre as a whole is popular and appealing to western people. It is not.

Not necessarily.  JRPG is not even an official acronym.  The J is just used to tell us that that specific RPG was developed in Japan.

 



 

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Rei on 18 April 2009
Riachu said:
Rei said:
Is that really surprising? The 'j' in 'jRPG' clearly suggests who are these games are targeted at. They arent meant to appeal to westeners.

A lot of people somehow are under the impression that because Final Fantasy and Pokemon are popular in the West then that means that the jRPG genre as a whole is popular and appealing to western people. It is not.

Not necessarily.  JRPG is not even an official acronym.  The J is just used to tell us that that specific RPG was developed in Japan.

 

I cant agree with that. They are not called jRPGs because they are made in Japan. We dont call european RPGs 'eRPGs' you know? (and Europe makes a lot of them) European RPGs are considered a part of wRPGs because they are similar (identical) in style.

   jRPGs are totally different in style, gameplay and everything. 'j' in the name describes that, not just suggests which country the game is from.

 



Zizzla_Rachet on 18 April 2009
Rei said:
Riachu said:
Rei said:
Is that really surprising? The 'j' in 'jRPG' clearly suggests who are these games are targeted at. They arent meant to appeal to westeners.

A lot of people somehow are under the impression that because Final Fantasy and Pokemon are popular in the West then that means that the jRPG genre as a whole is popular and appealing to western people. It is not.

Not necessarily.  JRPG is not even an official acronym.  The J is just used to tell us that that specific RPG was developed in Japan.

 

I cant agree with that. They are not called jRPGs because they are made in Japan. We dont call european RPGs 'eRPGs' you know? (and Europe makes a lot of them) European RPGs are considered a part of wRPGs because they are similar (identical) in style.

   jRPGs are totally different in style, gameplay and everything. 'j' in the name describes that, not just suggests which country the game is from.

 

The problem is that in japan RPG are constantly being reinvented....Like Valkiria Chronicles... That's a JRPG but it's a Stratergy RPG that play's turned Based but then is a real time shooter (Only played the first 30 mins My lil brother is a dick about his ps3...)

 



 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 18 April 2009
Jo21 said:
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outlawauron said:
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outlawauron said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jo21 said:

ugh no.

JRPG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>every other gender> WRPG.
IMO!

their storyline suck and too mixed up with FPS. seriously mass effect and fable 2 main selling point was there was sex scene.

i would care about any other gender RPG. it's blasphemy.

and the focus on open world, no character leave you with no one to remenber , empty ending. (fallout3)

This post is hilarious!....seriously...for the credibility's sake, you're joking right?

I agree with him! WRPGs still aren't as good as JRPGs.

In your undying agreement, there is nothing factual about his post. It seriously is a joke.

It's his opinion. He can think that Fallout had an empty ending and that WRPG stories suck.

 

 

I have no problem with his opinion, which is him thinking JRPG's are better; however, his remarks are slanderous. That....is the joke.

i agree they are too general, but they are the bitter feeling wrpg have leave me, the joke it's WRPG. i find it as a insult to the RPG gender in my opinion

The Swinger -5g
Take part in a orgy, responsibly

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-182248.aspx

about not a single one, have character or villian to remenber, there is not sephiroth (even if people thing it's overrated) or cloud, or aeris death.

 

 If you want to take part in an orgy that is your decision. The devs who create these games leave the choices strictly to you, for it is your story, but within another characters shoes. You don't have to take part in it. You are acknowledging its existence, but you are acting like it's a linear game much like JRPG's where you don't have too much control anyway as far as the outcome is concerned. If JRPG's included sex, there is no way they could escape the shame....because you see...there is lack of choice.

Mass Effect 2 will carry on your own unique saves from the original Mass Effect, so everything you've achieved in the galaxy will still be valid in the next chapter of the game. This is why so many who played the original are frothing at the mouth for the next game.

but RPG are story driven games, how character interact with other, their reactions and they emotions they feel, thats where those games get their cult following.

having orgies as archivement, empty endings, lack of emotion in characters kills that completely. there is nothing to remenber, no memories to hold off.

lack of choice depending of what choice, they are different kinds of choice, you are generally given choice to adapt your characters in gameplay

EDIT: cloud big sword it's not ridiculous it have a story behind it  and who give it to him and why it's so important

spoiler

the sword was a family treasure very valuble to angelus one of the shinra top soldiers, but his family didn't have money to they worked hard to use it, that why he never try to use it in battle unless it's something important since it require alot of work to get it, angelus when he died gave it to zack, and zack gave it to cloud when he died, thats why it's so important!

 

 

RPG's are story driven games. Yes...any adventure or RPG game with characters should have an exceptional story. This is what holds the game itself together. Role playing games are a western concepts based off of games like Dungeons and Dragons (R.I.P to the creators), where you are given control of your character and go off to adventure in an open ended manner, facing off against characters in that world and building your characters attributes. You attack characters based on a points system, usually in turns; however, there is a growing demand for non-turnbased gameplay. With WRPG's you mold the story based on your own decisions. In WRPG's emotions as you stated are respected to the fullest, because you make your own decisions. In JRPG's you follow suit and enjoy the story of that character which you are playing. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, i'm just telling it like it is. 

Having orgies as an achievement is something you can do if you want, as I said. How exactly are the endings empty? They have multiple endings which can end up good, bad or indifferent. It all depends on you, because you're playing the role. Basically what you're arguing that following a linear storyboard is choice. I have no problem with that myself, because I enjoy that just as much as having full control.

I never stated anything about Clouds sword. However, if an protagonist is worth a damn, he'll have a cool weapon anyway. It's not about the story of a sword, it's the reason he has it.

they still feel souless, even if jrpg are sometimes they are linear (in storyline not gameplay ) their story get told in better way, there is more deeper meaning and than in WRPG and have a bigger impact than any WRPG have managed.

i mean even FPS managed to do it right with bioshock and they did not require sex scenes to get people talking about it.

which sound really for a RPG like a marketing gimmick.

and about the ending even games like fallout 3 don't managed to get that impact JRPG have ,  even because they are not crafted to be a big ending but rather tons of small ones.

 

Ok, so basically you're saying you don't want to give meaning to a character because the depth should just exist. Well then I don't really know if real RPG's are for you then man. You want a story or an adventure game. The only roleplaying aspect of JRPG's are the turned based battle systems and fixing up character attributes. 

Since you think sex was got people to play Fable 2, what might I ask inspired them to play the original Fable? What might I ask inspired people to play Mass Effect? Easy, Bioware was making it and they created KOTOR. To narrow down reasons to play a game to sex is to deny everything the game exists for the benefit of your logic.

JRPG's and WRPG's don't have to have expected endings. The question is...what the game good?

 

a game that can fullfill all atributes.

Epic Storyline, deep character development, great music, and long lasting impact in all RPGs.

and fun gameplay to make it additive to play for 100 hours.

last game that managed to do that? Persona 4.

 

 

Mass Effect meets that criteria perfectly.

it doesn't, unless u think lesbian sex its deep character development >_>

 

The main character is a male, but a female is provided in case a female gamer wants to step into the shoes of being a female captrain. What you're doing is committing slander in a game where you have the choice to be in a relationship or not. You fail to grasp that it is completely up to you whether your character has sex or not. That is not what the game is all about. Have you even played the game? What you do in less than one minute of movie time (based on your choices) has nothing to do with over 50 hours of gameplay.

Epic Storyline- Mass Effect has this, where you enter a Epic galactic battle against the ship Sovereign starring as Shepard, commander of the Normandy.  Over the course of the game you meet people and your choices with them effect your relationships and their moral. The game itself is amazing. Playing Mass Effect actually got me into Sci-Fi flix like Serenity. 

Wait a second.....what am I even telling you about that game for?This link will give you a laundry list of the accolades this game has recieved.

http://masseffect.bioware.com/previewsawards/

This game is far more than what you think it is. It's future is far beyond what you can imagine.



S.T.A.G.E. on 18 April 2009
Rei said:
Is that really surprising? The 'j' in 'jRPG' clearly suggests who are these games are targeted at. They arent meant to appeal to westeners.

A lot of people somehow are under the impression that because Final Fantasy and Pokemon are popular in the West then that means that the jRPG genre as a whole is popular and appealing to western people. It is not.

 

 

Japanese culture as a whole is swallowing America. Cartoons, cars, language courses taken in college and much more. JRPG's are still popular. JRPG's are doing shitty because the JRPG fanatics have been split between the Wii, PS3 and 360.



S.T.A.G.E. on 18 April 2009
Riachu said:
Rei said:
Is that really surprising? The 'j' in 'jRPG' clearly suggests who are these games are targeted at. They arent meant to appeal to westeners.

A lot of people somehow are under the impression that because Final Fantasy and Pokemon are popular in the West then that means that the jRPG genre as a whole is popular and appealing to western people. It is not.

Not necessarily.  JRPG is not even an official acronym.  The J is just used to tell us that that specific RPG was developed in Japan.

 

 

 

Japanese RPG's or JRPG's are RPG games that take the Western turn base style of WRPG's (The originals) and put a make a linear storyline out of it. Instead of it being based on being personification roleplay, it adds the action game vantage point of helping  a character meet his obvious destination. That is the Japanese style. In that sense you're not really role playing. A Japanese developer can create a Western style game any time they want, but it wouldn't be called a JRPG, now would it?.



makingmusic476 on 18 April 2009

Western gamers generally prefer western RPGs!?  This is an entirely shocking revelation.



makingmusic476 on 18 April 2009

So I see. But it wasn't countered very well. WRPGs have always had a moderate to strong presence in the West, particularly NA. Just look at the popularity of Diablo.

It took awhile for WRPGs to have the break out success of JRPGs in the West, however, because 1. WRPGs were confined mostly to the PC realm for quite some time, while JRPGs first made it big on consoles, and 2. WRPGs were never really taken and pushed to the forefront of people's attention by one of "the Big Three". Sony's marketing campaign for FFVII really helped push the JRPG genre back in the ps1 days.

In the end, it's apparent that Western developers are more in-tune with what Western gamers might want, and this is why WRPGs are so popular today. Of course, that notion should be quite obvious, unless Western gamers are somehow capable of enjoying RPGs but are not capable of making any decent ones themselves.