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BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
Hawk said:
BTFeather55, I am in complete disbelief that you called ET on the 2600 a true gem of a game. I actually played that thing. It's horrible. And I don't mean a matter of opinion horrible, it's damn unplayable. The designer was only given 6 weeks to make the game, and it showed. Granted, games didn't take as long to make back then, but six weeks was still barely any time to make a game.

Wow. Just wow. I am not sure if you believe the things you say anymore, or if you just love attention and irritating people.

 

 http://www.randomterrain.com/atari-2600-memories-et.html



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Hawk on 16 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
Hawk said:
BTFeather55, I am in complete disbelief that you called ET on the 2600 a true gem of a game. I actually played that thing. It's horrible. And I don't mean a matter of opinion horrible, it's damn unplayable. The designer was only given 6 weeks to make the game, and it showed. Granted, games didn't take as long to make back then, but six weeks was still barely any time to make a game.

Wow. Just wow. I am not sure if you believe the things you say anymore, or if you just love attention and irritating people.

 

 http://www.randomterrain.com/atari-2600-memories-et.html

::chuckle:: Wow.  Two people who liked E.T.  Oh my



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Darc Requiem on 16 April 2009

I think BTFeather is trying to get attention and its working.

@Hawk

Combat. I loved that game. I could play that forever. That is a true classic.



BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
I would think that most people posting on this site are under 30. Therefore, you have candy coated memories of how great the NES was. If you were born in the seventies instead of the eighties and had 2600s in their peak years, you will acknowledge that no home videogame hardware ever passed the 2600 in its prime.

Age has nothing to do with it. By what metric could you possibly compare Pitfall to Super Mario Bros. 3?

 Simple.  Take a time machine back to 1981, have brain washing done so that you don't remember anything about the NES, turn on a radio station, here some ads for Pitfall, go to a store, take it home and play it, and you will see how amazing it is, then in a few years you will see that the Super Mario games really aren't doing anything more groundbreaking at their basic levels than what was not previously done in Pitfall.

Jesus God

So I take it scrolling levels don't really mean anything to you then

 You could choose to run right or left at the beginning of Pitfall.  You could only go right in Super Mario Brothers 1.

That is not what "scrolling levels" means.

Look, I'm sure you were amazed by Pitfall when you were a kid. That's fine. But as a person who can view games jsut for what they are, both in terms of function and form, even minding platform limitations, Super Mario Bros. was just a much more fun, technically complete game.

And I was making the comparison with Super Mario Bros. 3, which blows every other platformer in the universe up to its release entirely out of the water.

 

 Do you really think its fair to compare a game released in 1982 to one released in 1990?  I will say that I don't think SMB3 is as much of a leap over SMB than Pitfall II was over Pitfall.



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Khuutra on 16 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:

 Do you really think its fair to compare a game released in 1982 to one released in 1990?  I will say that I don't think SMB3 is as much of a leap over SMB than Pitfall II was over Pitfall.

You say a lot of things. And yeah, it's fair, since you said nothing on the NES compared to Pitfall.



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BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:

 Do you really think its fair to compare a game released in 1982 to one released in 1990?  I will say that I don't think SMB3 is as much of a leap over SMB than Pitfall II was over Pitfall.

You say a lot of things. And yeah, it's fair, since you said nothing on the NES compared to Pitfall.

 

      Alright.  Have you ever collected all 32 treasures in Pitfall or beaten Pitfall II:  The Lost Caverns?



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Hawk on 16 April 2009
Darc Requiem said:
I think BTFeather is trying to get attention and its working.

@Hawk

Combat. I loved that game. I could play that forever. That is a true classic.

     My family and I played many many hours of Combat.  That was one fun game.   I really enjoyed getting to play some Combat and Warlords against my fellow gaming students.  Some video games, even though they may be very technically inferior, do continue to be fun games to play, even 30 years later.



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Fossil on 16 April 2009
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
I would think that most people posting on this site are under 30. Therefore, you have candy coated memories of how great the NES was. If you were born in the seventies instead of the eighties and had 2600s in their peak years, you will acknowledge that no home videogame hardware ever passed the 2600 in its prime.

Age has nothing to do with it. By what metric could you possibly compare Pitfall to Super Mario Bros. 3?

 Simple.  Take a time machine back to 1981, have brain washing done so that you don't remember anything about the NES, turn on a radio station, here some ads for Pitfall, go to a store, take it home and play it, and you will see how amazing it is, then in a few years you will see that the Super Mario games really aren't doing anything more groundbreaking at their basic levels than what was not previously done in Pitfall.

Jesus God

So I take it scrolling levels don't really mean anything to you then

 You could choose to run right or left at the beginning of Pitfall.  You could only go right in Super Mario Brothers 1.

That is not what "scrolling levels" means.

Look, I'm sure you were amazed by Pitfall when you were a kid. That's fine. But as a person who can view games jsut for what they are, both in terms of function and form, even minding platform limitations, Super Mario Bros. was just a much more fun, technically complete game.

And I was making the comparison with Super Mario Bros. 3, which blows every other platformer in the universe up to its release entirely out of the water.

To add to that, SMB3 itself can be viewed as "weak" when compared to NSMB or SMW*

Nostalgia is a seducing mistress; no matter how great and superior a new game can be, there will always be people who say it's worse than a game that came out 20+ years ago, simply because they associate it with memories of when they were happy, and were too young to see it for what it was. Take transformers for instance: G1 is paraded around as if it were the work of god when it's nothing more than a thirty-minute commercial, just because it was billy's favorite after school cartoon. For an example in our own medium just look at what's happening to pokemon red and blue and what will inevitably happen to FF7.

 

* This isn't to say that I think SMB3 is bad, just that some people will say it's not as good as SMW. (I do think that NSMB is a little better though.)

 



*Gratuitous falme-bait signature that mocks two or more consoles while praising another*


sethnintendo on 16 April 2009

I played Pitfall when I was a kid and it completely sucked compared to Super Mario Bros.



BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
sethnintendo said:
I played Pitfall when I was a kid and it completely sucked compared to Super Mario Bros.

 

      However, your profile says you are 26, and Pifall is 27 years old.  Looking at it this way is what is called historicity in historical studies.  You are removing something from its time and trying to compare it with something from a later time that may create an unfair comparison that is actually far from the reality of what had happened.  If you were 10 years old when Pitfall came out and had never heard of Super Mario Brothers there is a distinct possibilty that you would have viewed it differently.



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