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Zizzla_Rachet on 19 April 2009
Slimebeast said:
I see what he's meaning, but still it's not up to Obama to decide.

The US is a Christian Nation.

 

So Christian nation Equals Gay Marriage?....Are those the views of Christians?

And No it's not a christian nation...Due to the fact that Nativa american are not christian there are alot Jews and muslim and the china people are not christian...and the Catholics?



 



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Zizzla_Rachet on 19 April 2009
Akvod said:
Brun2003 said:
Thats funny 44 signers of the declaration of independence were born again christians. The bill of rights were made to stop the government from damaging religion or the church. They did not want it ran by the church like the roman church basically controled eourpe, but the christian values to be its code i.e. tho shall not murder love your neighbor as yourself. The constitution (democracy) is based off of the christian bible. George Washington said this nation will not survive without God as its cornerstone. Sorry if that offended anyone. Any questions a good movie to watch would be A Nation adrift

I don't think the founding fathers were evangelical Christians... even when majority of the Colonists were Christian, they went to America because their sect of Christianity were being persecuted against by religiously motivated laws in Europe. You can't just paint all Colonists as "Christians" when there were so many different kinds and sects of them (Puritans, Quakers, etc)

I don't think Democracy is based off of Christianity... a religion that has one ruler of the univerese whose laws and words are final and absolute.

Also George Washington is not infallible or Omniscient.

We cannot have a government, moreover laws and a constitution based off of religious values. If so it raises many questions such as "Which one?". It avoids debates of ethics and morality because, again, the word and law of God are absolute, and the debate will rather be over which religion is right, and which book, religious leader, interpertation, etc are right. Also how can we make others who aren't of the majority religion, practice state sanctioned religious laws? What do we do about the fragmentation within the major religion?

I'm not directing this final paragraph toward you, but I don't understand why religious constervatives hate Iran, and bring up terrorism and Islam so frequently, and yet want to move the country directly in the same paths of those same enemies. Iran is a theocratic democracy, many of their enemy countries incorporate Sharia. Jesus Christ.

 

 

The founding Fathers were of Anglosaxon descent which are Protestant



 



SamuelRSmith on 19 April 2009
dsister44 said:
O-D-C said:
dsister44 said:
O-D-C said:
dsister44 said:
O-D-C said:
well its also a democracy, so the majority decides, and last I checked the majority was christian so...

 

 

actualy america is a republic not a democracy

...?

 

 

 

in a democracy we vote straight for the president. in are(?) country we vote then the electora;l votes are the ones that actually count.

also chect the pledge of allegiance

" i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united  states of america. for in this republic for which it stands...."

Well it's a Republic in the same way that Canada is a Dominion, but arent they still democracys in the sense that the people decide the leader?

 

 

 

well, its basically the same, but like i said in a democracy you vote directly for the president, and you vote actually goes torward it. but in a republic the  electoral college looks at your vote then decides to vote depending what they thought of those votes.

like how in 2004 bush lost the votes,but got more electoral votes therefore he won.

 

Your referring to a different type of electoral system, the United States is still a democracy, no matter which electoral system it uses. You seem to be somewhat confused, because any country, Kingdom or Republic, can be democratic, and any country, Kingdom or Republic, can also not be democratic. A Kingdom essentially means that the head of State is unelected (like the UK and the Queen), a Republic means that the head of State is elected (like the US and the President).

 

akuma587 said:
A true democracy is completely different. In a true democracy, you vote on every bill that is proposed by your state and the federal legislature.

 

 

That's not a true democracy, that's referred to as direct democracy. There are very few examples of direct democracies, the only ones I can think of is ancient Athens (the US being the first democracy is a common misconception), where any citizen can go into Parliament and state their views/cast their votes on matters; and a modern day example would be Switzerland, they're not 100% direct, but they deal with the majority of their matters through referenda.

Direct democracies are simply impratical because countries are too large and populations are too great to allow for that many people to come in and vote on particular issues. The system that most countries opt for is "indirect", or "representative" democracy, where the electorate elect people to act as their representatives.



Akvod on 19 April 2009
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:
Brun2003 said:
Thats funny 44 signers of the declaration of independence were born again christians. The bill of rights were made to stop the government from damaging religion or the church. They did not want it ran by the church like the roman church basically controled eourpe, but the christian values to be its code i.e. tho shall not murder love your neighbor as yourself. The constitution (democracy) is based off of the christian bible. George Washington said this nation will not survive without God as its cornerstone. Sorry if that offended anyone. Any questions a good movie to watch would be A Nation adrift

I don't think the founding fathers were evangelical Christians... even when majority of the Colonists were Christian, they went to America because their sect of Christianity were being persecuted against by religiously motivated laws in Europe. You can't just paint all Colonists as "Christians" when there were so many different kinds and sects of them (Puritans, Quakers, etc)

I don't think Democracy is based off of Christianity... a religion that has one ruler of the univerese whose laws and words are final and absolute.

Also George Washington is not infallible or Omniscient.

We cannot have a government, moreover laws and a constitution based off of religious values. If so it raises many questions such as "Which one?". It avoids debates of ethics and morality because, again, the word and law of God are absolute, and the debate will rather be over which religion is right, and which book, religious leader, interpertation, etc are right. Also how can we make others who aren't of the majority religion, practice state sanctioned religious laws? What do we do about the fragmentation within the major religion?

I'm not directing this final paragraph toward you, but I don't understand why religious constervatives hate Iran, and bring up terrorism and Islam so frequently, and yet want to move the country directly in the same paths of those same enemies. Iran is a theocratic democracy, many of their enemy countries incorporate Sharia. Jesus Christ.

 

 

The founding Fathers were of Aglosaxon descent which are Protestant

Point?



Blacksaber on 19 April 2009

I would hope so or I learned all that Hebrew for nothing...



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The Ghost of RubangB on 19 April 2009
Brun2003 said:
Thats funny 44 signers of the declaration of independence were born again christians. The bill of rights were made to stop the government from damaging religion or the church. They did not want it ran by the church like the roman church basically controled eourpe, but the christian values to be its code i.e. tho shall not murder love your neighbor as yourself. The constitution (democracy) is based off of the christian bible. George Washington said this nation will not survive without God as its cornerstone. Sorry if that offended anyone. Any questions a good movie to watch would be A Nation adrift

The modern Born-Again movement didn't happen until the 1960s.  So that's impossible.

The Constitution is based on many different things, including a few British philosophers and the Magna Carta, but the Bible was not one of those influences.  Coveting they neighbor's goods, respecting your parents, and worshipping false idols are not mentioned in the Constitution or in any law in this country.

George Washington is a proven Deist, so what he meant by "God" is nothing like what a born-again Christian would mean.



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Zizzla_Rachet on 19 April 2009
Akvod said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:
Brun2003 said:
Thats funny 44 signers of the declaration of independence were born again christians. The bill of rights were made to stop the government from damaging religion or the church. They did not want it ran by the church like the roman church basically controled eourpe, but the christian values to be its code i.e. tho shall not murder love your neighbor as yourself. The constitution (democracy) is based off of the christian bible. George Washington said this nation will not survive without God as its cornerstone. Sorry if that offended anyone. Any questions a good movie to watch would be A Nation adrift

I don't think the founding fathers were evangelical Christians... even when majority of the Colonists were Christian, they went to America because their sect of Christianity were being persecuted against by religiously motivated laws in Europe. You can't just paint all Colonists as "Christians" when there were so many different kinds and sects of them (Puritans, Quakers, etc)

I don't think Democracy is based off of Christianity... a religion that has one ruler of the univerese whose laws and words are final and absolute.

Also George Washington is not infallible or Omniscient.

We cannot have a government, moreover laws and a constitution based off of religious values. If so it raises many questions such as "Which one?". It avoids debates of ethics and morality because, again, the word and law of God are absolute, and the debate will rather be over which religion is right, and which book, religious leader, interpertation, etc are right. Also how can we make others who aren't of the majority religion, practice state sanctioned religious laws? What do we do about the fragmentation within the major religion?

I'm not directing this final paragraph toward you, but I don't understand why religious constervatives hate Iran, and bring up terrorism and Islam so frequently, and yet want to move the country directly in the same paths of those same enemies. Iran is a theocratic democracy, many of their enemy countries incorporate Sharia. Jesus Christ.

 

 

The founding Fathers were of Aglosaxon descent which are Protestant

Point?

obama is trying to end a republican war

 



 



Akvod on 19 April 2009
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Akvod said:
Brun2003 said:
Thats funny 44 signers of the declaration of independence were born again christians. The bill of rights were made to stop the government from damaging religion or the church. They did not want it ran by the church like the roman church basically controled eourpe, but the christian values to be its code i.e. tho shall not murder love your neighbor as yourself. The constitution (democracy) is based off of the christian bible. George Washington said this nation will not survive without God as its cornerstone. Sorry if that offended anyone. Any questions a good movie to watch would be A Nation adrift

I don't think the founding fathers were evangelical Christians... even when majority of the Colonists were Christian, they went to America because their sect of Christianity were being persecuted against by religiously motivated laws in Europe. You can't just paint all Colonists as "Christians" when there were so many different kinds and sects of them (Puritans, Quakers, etc)

I don't think Democracy is based off of Christianity... a religion that has one ruler of the univerese whose laws and words are final and absolute.

Also George Washington is not infallible or Omniscient.

We cannot have a government, moreover laws and a constitution based off of religious values. If so it raises many questions such as "Which one?". It avoids debates of ethics and morality because, again, the word and law of God are absolute, and the debate will rather be over which religion is right, and which book, religious leader, interpertation, etc are right. Also how can we make others who aren't of the majority religion, practice state sanctioned religious laws? What do we do about the fragmentation within the major religion?

I'm not directing this final paragraph toward you, but I don't understand why religious constervatives hate Iran, and bring up terrorism and Islam so frequently, and yet want to move the country directly in the same paths of those same enemies. Iran is a theocratic democracy, many of their enemy countries incorporate Sharia. Jesus Christ.

 

 

The founding Fathers were of Aglosaxon descent which are Protestant

Point?

obama is trying to end a republican war

 

????

 



dsister44 on 19 April 2009

what he is saying is like saying iraq isn't a muslim country. even though the majority of the people are.



Brun2003 on 19 April 2009

AKvod
I'm saying not every law as with homosexuality is embraced by some christians but laws like our sovereignty as free people murder and cheating and simple values like thrift one of which that our goverment doesnt listen to. Laws like abortion and euthanize that chip away the value of human life.
And how obama wants us to give up our sovereignty and allow the UN to decied if we can spank our children and so forth. Don't get me wrong i want children to be abused but spanking done right is not wrong and it should not be decieded by a select few who think they know better me or you.
Sorry off topic a little.