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Dr.KennethNoisewater said:
My argument for God - We're all here right? So something had to create us right, we didn't spawn out of nowhere like in a FPS game?

Okay so we can all agree we're here and we were created by something. I choose to believe that God created us. That's just my belief. You don't agree then fine. My job isn't to convert you I'm just saying what I feel.

By your logic everything had to be created at some point then because to exist something had to be created. Well I put it to you that in that scenario who created the creator? and his creator? and his creator? and his creator? and his creator? and so on. See what I'm saying?

 



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Dr.KennethNoisewater said:
My argument for God - We're all here right? So something had to create us right, we didn't spawn out of nowhere like in a FPS game?

Okay so we can all agree we're here and we were created by something. I choose to believe that God created us. That's just my belief. You don't agree then fine. My job isn't to convert you I'm just saying what I feel.

Actually I think you'll find that no you didn't spawn out of nowhere, your mum and dad created you in a somewhat messy process.

There is enough evidence for evolution and enough proof for abiogenesis being possible that you should realise that our existence proving the existence of god is a non sequitur.



ManusJustus said:
mesoteto said:
I don’t understand, your saying there cant be a god b/c he acts like a man, but how do you know its not man acting like god?

My argument is: Man-made stories give animals and mythical beings characteristics of human beings.  God has characteristics of a human being.  God was made by man.

I hope man isnt acting like God :)

That's not really a good argument because the bible states that God created man in his image, so technically we have god-like characteristics and not the other way around.

 



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yes yes the bible states that man was created in gods image. But the Bible was written by man. see the inherent issue there?



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FaRmLaNd said:
yes yes the bible states that man was created in gods image. But the Bible was written by man. see the inherent issue there?

Yes obviously, but the initial question was, Arguments Against God, and these are theoretically going to be directed a people who believe in God. These are people who believe the bible to be, to one extent or another, a representation of God's words, wishes and ideals.

So if you, for example were going to say that God isn't real because "if he's all powerful why is he like a human?", they would likely reply by quoting that passage of the Bible.  Then you are essentially at an impass and hence why it's not a good basis for an argument.

 



Strategyking92 said:
ManusJustus said:
Strategyking92 said:
I don't think you really grasp the concept of the christian god.
God said he created man in his image.. So god is human-like if you believe in the bible. However, he is also presented as an omniscient being, while having interest in a select few individuals. You could, however, make the argument that he needed to have interest in these individuals for people to have faith that he exists through religion spreading. As for god being cruel in the old testament, he was only testing humanity and punishing the wicked.
He continues to punish the wicked in the new testament, but not in his godly form.

And since christianity, judaism, and islam make almost all of the major world religions, I am confident with the "everything happens for a reason" belief over pure dumb luck.

Man's image came from billions of years of evolution.   And I dont think God (assuming he created the universe) would be made of matter or energy (since he created them) so its hard to think of him as actually having an image anyway.  Unless he created matter and energy them molded himself into some form of it, but why would he do that?

Why would God's personality change from Old to New Testament?  Wouldnt an all powerful and all knowing being not need to learn from experience?

 

 

Well it could vary I suppose. Who's to say the creation story didn't happen in some form? While i'm not so sure about that, the evolution theory, and the creation theory have possibilities in them that humans were made in gods image. Well, they don't refute them. I mean, what if humans gradually changed into gods image? But because god doesn't have a physical image, you might compare his form to a cloud. Up close it looks like nothing, but from far away it might look like a dragon or something. I just don't think anybody can possibly imagine the big picture of a god, or how one can exist.

I think his personality stayed the same, it's just that he did not need to test free will, or the events aren't mentioned in the NT, due to the focus being on jesus and his message of peace. Although you can still find references where gods will is enacted.

Here's another question also: Since god is omniscient, wouldn't he need to know his own limits (or in humans case, free will). And since he is omniscient, he both would and would not know. Why would he create humans in the first place? All I can come up with is that god has a sort of self awareness, and that since humans are created in his image, he learns while being omniscient. You know, like when a guy pokes a dead cow with a stick even though he knows the cow is dead. Pointless, really, but what is existance something happening?

You seem to assume that the god of everything, directly made humans... Baseless assumtion.

We could have been created by a lesser god or alien race.

 

 



Dr.KennethNoisewater said:
My argument for God - We're all here right? So something had to create us right, we didn't spawn out of nowhere like in a FPS game?

Okay so we can all agree we're here and we were created by something. I choose to believe that God created us. That's just my belief. You don't agree then fine. My job isn't to convert you I'm just saying what I feel.

The assertion that we were created is a baseless assumtion. We could have been formed, manifested, or something else.

 



hsrob said:
FaRmLaNd said:
yes yes the bible states that man was created in gods image. But the Bible was written by man. see the inherent issue there?

Yes obviously, but the initial question was, Arguments Against God, and these are theoretically going to be directed a people who believe in God. These are people who believe the bible to be, to one extent or another, a representation of God's words, wishes and ideals.

So if you, for example were going to say that God isn't real because "if he's all powerful why is he like a human?", they would likely reply by quoting that passage of the Bible. Then you are essentially at an impass and hence why it's not a good basis for an argument.

 

I agree. What I said was a little "soundbite", nothing more.

 

 



God orders us to worship him because God created us



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