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NintendoMan said:
far too many reasons to list here, but suffice to say i have attempted suicide 3 times already this year

 

 Because of capitalism?



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inb4 some Americans mix up Socialism and Communism.

:/

A mix between Socialism and Capitalism is "better for all"/"the common good" imo.

 



TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:

 

Why do you keep comparing capitalism to socialism? I don't believe in socialism either

 

A world with no money, is socialism.

I disagree. A completely socialist nation would distribute all the money equally. How can a world with no money distribute it? A socialist nation takes from the rich and gives to the poor. In a world with no money, there is no rich and poor.

 



@slimebeast, no, although capitalism is responsible for some of the situation/s I am in which in turn lead me to becoming extremely depressed which in turn leads to attempts of a self-harming nature.

What I have noticed in this thread is that therealmafoo deserves nothing but my utmost contempt for his ways (like claiming capitalism invents things and capitalism got you to the moon, it didn't - hard work and some very clever men & woman did), i would say more but that miserable excuse of a mod twesterm would probably ban me while tombi123 seems to have his head on straight. Bravo to the man with a woman in a red dress for his avatar. Well done sir.



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GamingChartzFTW said:



A mix between Socialism and Capitalism is "better for all"/"the common good" imo.

 

 

Depending on what you mean by socialism, I agree.

I am for a country determining basic quality of life for it's people, and then forcing companies to follow practices through regulation.

for example, minimum wage is a form of socialism, but I am for it. I think there is a minimum value someone's time is worth, and a company should be forced to recognize that.

but in the above example, you either hire someone to do a job, or you don't. It's not forcing people to work in the service of others. When socialism hit's that level (like progressive taxation), then I am against it.



I definitely think that there is some confusion of terminology here.

When we're talking about the economy, the ultra-left is referred to as a "command" economy - ie, the Government is in control of everything, in command, el capitain. The ulta-right is referred to as "anarchism" where everything is run by the private sector, it is so called because having no official police force or militia will result in anarchy.

Capitalism is left of anarchism.
Socialism refers to huge amounts of welfare.
Communism is a form of Governmental rule.



TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Even if the Scientist doesn't work for money, the tools he uses only exist because someone does.

A computer today allows us to calculate things that would take a thousand years without one. Without capitalism, those computers would not exist.

 

As for the robot thing...

you must be talking about a futuristic world with technology we have yet to discover. That technology would only be discovered in a Capitalistic society. (or at a minimum, orders of magnitude sooner)

 

The technology has already been discovered. The technology and resources are already available for creating robots to perform everyday jobs. The only thing stopping it happening in the immediate future is money. It costs to much to create these high tech robots. In a society without money, this problem doesn't arise.

 

The problem us you're looking at a world created with Capitalism, and all it's advantages, and thinking “if we were only socialistic, we could apply these things so much more efficiently”.

If we had that kind of world in the past, we would not have the technology.

To illustrate my point, let's say we did what you proposed, we turned the world into a place without money. We could then employ all the technologies we have learned to this point, and make a world better then we have today.

Fine, we do that. When that's done, in 200 years, we have roughly the same world.

What if we didn't do what you propose, and in 200 years due to continued advances in technologies, we have pills that cure cancer in the grocery store, and fission generators the size of a car that power cities.

Which world is better?

 

Why would technological advancements stop in a world with no money?

It wasn't capitalism that invented satalite communications, nuclear energy, the internet etc, it was brilliant minds. Capitalism just made it possible in a world were resourses cost money. 

In a world with no money, these scientists and brilliant minds don't dissapear. Instead they have better resourses (because they are free) to invent better technology. I think, in a world with no money, technology advances quicker than in a capitalist society.

 



NintendoMan said:
@slimebeast, no, although capitalism is responsible for some of the situation/s I am in which in turn lead me to becoming extremely depressed which in turn leads to attempts of a self-harming nature.

What I have noticed in this thread is that therealmafoo deserves nothing but my utmost contempt for his ways (like claiming capitalism invents things and capitalism got you to the moon, it didn't - hard work and some very clever men & woman did), i would say more but that miserable excuse of a mod twesterm would probably ban me while tombi123 seems to have his head on straight. Bravo to the man with a woman in a red dress for his avatar. Well done sir.

But controlled capitalism is awesome. U urself is fortunate enuff to live in Western Europe. The UK is a great country. What if u were a coal miner in China? Wouldnt that be even worse?

I think it's the depression itself and unfortunate circumstances (that can happen to everyone everywhere) that made u feel bad.

 



tombi123 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

A world with no money, is socialism.

I disagree. A completely socialist nation would distribute all the money equally. How can a world with no money distribute it? A socialist nation takes from the rich and gives to the poor. In a world with no money, there is no rich and poor.

 

 

Money is nothing more then a country putting a value on your contribution to society.

If you work at a jib that requires more skill, you get paid more. If you work at a job that requires more talent, you get paid more

Taking the money and distributing it equally, just means you feel everyones contributions holds the same value.

Having no money at all, means you feel everyones contributions holds the same value.

it's the exact same thing.