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TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

Just out of curiosity, in this system, how would anything get done, and who would do it?

What's the motivation to work?

 

The majority of work is done by robots. Money isn't the only motivator. (Proper) Scientists don't work for the money, its finding out the unknown that motivates them.

 

 Even if the Scientist doesn't work for money, the tools he uses only exist because someone does.

A computer today allows us to calculate things that would take a thousand years without one. Without capitalism, those computers would not exist.

 

As for the robot thing...

you must be talking about a futuristic world with technology we have yet to discover. That technology would only be discovered in a Capitalistic society. (or at a minimum, orders of magnitude sooner)

 

 Soviet Russia had powerful computers (for the time) and they managed to put a man in space (before capitalist America).

The tools already exist to build a super computer, they just cost a lot money. Without money, the motivated scientists would be able to build super computers at will.



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vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
NintendoMan said:
You don't make anyone happy. Happiness is a lie, one of those words that doesn't really mean anything. Being happy is useless, it doesn't help.

All research done in regards to productivity would prove you wrong there.

Improving happiness is one of the biggest ways to improve productivity.

 

 

Too bad people in the US aren't happy at all:

http://www.theroadtothehorizon.org/2009/01/worlds-most-happiest-countries-and.html

Didn't people in Denmark pay close to 75% of their income to taxes?

You missed "one of".

Note that the USA is still a major leader when it comes to technological advancments in a lot of fields.  For example medical technology.

Also comparing relative happiness is a silly thing to do.  Happiness studies can only really done interperson.

As people have different definitions of "Happy".

 

 

Nice way of invalidating the study, thugh without going into psychology you won't be able to get out just by saying it's intangible. Read the short summary of the study, it explains a bit how it works. Currently more socialitic governments have happier people. Go figure. Also maybe you didn't see that SWB stood for subjective well-being meaning that yes, everyone depends on their own type of "Happy."

I have a degree in psychology thanks.

So yeah.  I know exactly how it works.  Such studies are largely basless and about as effective as anything Frued did. (In otherwords... not effective at all.)



@luinil - maybe if your life was a shit as mine you'd share my world view. As far as I am concerned life is hell, and if I were on the hypothetical ship where therealmafoo has callously and cowardly said 20% are going to die I would be quite happy to go down with ship. Preferably dragging a few people with me to share my watery grave.



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Kasz216 said:
tombi123 said:
Kasz216 said:
tombi123 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:
"A Resource-Based Economy is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival."

 

Just out of curiosity, in this system, how would anything get done, and who would do it?

What's the motivation to work?

 

The majority of work is done by robots. Money isn't the only motivator. (Proper) Scientists don't work for the money, its finding out the unknown that motivates them.

That used to be the case.

Nowadays i'd highly disagree with you. The monetary gains of science have far outweighed the scientific discovery aspects in most scientists today.

Very few scientists work in theoretical unprofitable fields compared to the ones that produce money making stuff.

 

I blame capitalism

Yeah. Its annoying.

On the one hand science advances a LOT quicker despite being more complicated.

On the other hand... you wonder if it's going towards the right fields. Medical technology is rapidly rapidly improving... but when was the last time anything was cured?

 

Plus you get scientists making things up... like Global Cooling/Warming being prodominantly mans fault.



@therealmafoo - i am not arguing about whether it is better that 8/10 live I am arguing why those 2/10 should die. Why? What have those 8/10 done that makes them more deserving of life than the 2/10?



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Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
NintendoMan said:
You don't make anyone happy. Happiness is a lie, one of those words that doesn't really mean anything. Being happy is useless, it doesn't help.

All research done in regards to productivity would prove you wrong there.

Improving happiness is one of the biggest ways to improve productivity.

 

 

Too bad people in the US aren't happy at all:

http://www.theroadtothehorizon.org/2009/01/worlds-most-happiest-countries-and.html

Didn't people in Denmark pay close to 75% of their income to taxes?

You missed "one of".

Note that the USA is still a major leader when it comes to technological advancments in a lot of fields.  For example medical technology.

Also comparing relative happiness is a silly thing to do.  Happiness studies can only really done interperson.

As people have different definitions of "Happy".

 

 

Nice way of invalidating the study, thugh without going into psychology you won't be able to get out just by saying it's intangible. Read the short summary of the study, it explains a bit how it works. Currently more socialitic governments have happier people. Go figure. Also maybe you didn't see that SWB stood for subjective well-being meaning that yes, everyone depends on their own type of "Happy."

I have a degree in psychology thanks.

So yeah.  I know exactly how it works.  Such studies are largely basless and about as effective as anything Frued did. (In otherwords... not effective at all.)

Minor in psych and the study seems as legit as anything. If anything it just goes to show that once you remove the financial worries out of people's lives they become happier overall. Even if they pay 75% of their income for those comforts.

 



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NintendoMan said:
@therealmafoo - i am not arguing about whether it is better that 8/10 live I am arguing why those 2/10 should die. Why? What have those 8/10 done that makes them more deserving of life than the 2/10?

But whatever unlucky 20% that are going to die, are going to die anyway. Sacrificing the other 80% just so they share the same fate is a horrible outlook on life.

Why is your life such shit?

 



vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
NintendoMan said:
You don't make anyone happy. Happiness is a lie, one of those words that doesn't really mean anything. Being happy is useless, it doesn't help.

All research done in regards to productivity would prove you wrong there.

Improving happiness is one of the biggest ways to improve productivity.

 

 

Too bad people in the US aren't happy at all:

http://www.theroadtothehorizon.org/2009/01/worlds-most-happiest-countries-and.html

Didn't people in Denmark pay close to 75% of their income to taxes?

You missed "one of".

Note that the USA is still a major leader when it comes to technological advancments in a lot of fields.  For example medical technology.

Also comparing relative happiness is a silly thing to do.  Happiness studies can only really done interperson.

As people have different definitions of "Happy".

 

 

Nice way of invalidating the study, thugh without going into psychology you won't be able to get out just by saying it's intangible. Read the short summary of the study, it explains a bit how it works. Currently more socialitic governments have happier people. Go figure. Also maybe you didn't see that SWB stood for subjective well-being meaning that yes, everyone depends on their own type of "Happy."

I have a degree in psychology thanks.

So yeah.  I know exactly how it works.  Such studies are largely basless and about as effective as anything Frued did. (In otherwords... not effective at all.)

Minor in psych and the study seems as legit as anything.

 

So... I've got a Major.  So if you want to play the "Degrees game" on that...

I don't know what to tell you.

Well other then if you relied soley on textbooks for your knowledge in pscyhology your better off not having the degree.  You'd be surprised how much it gets simplified and outright changed.

Even reading Frued directly compared to what is written about him in a textbook is a trip.

As for Maslow... What Maslow believed was a lot different.  One of my teachers was a friend of the guy.  Was going to be taught by him directly but he died before then.

But I can breakdown the study without even going in to why non interpersonal happiness ratings are BS.  I'll do that in the next post to avoid the massive quote tree.

 



NintendoMan said:
@luinil - maybe if your life was a shit as mine you'd share my world view. As far as I am concerned life is hell, and if I were on the hypothetical ship where therealmafoo has callously and cowardly said 20% are going to die I would be quite happy to go down with ship. Preferably dragging a few people with me to share my watery grave.

Well I am sorry your life is so bad, if there was a real way I could improve it, I would. But seeing as how you and I  are not (and likely would not) be friends in the real world, I don't see how I can. I would offer to pray for you but I some people around here get offended at that idea.

In any case I hope you situation gets better and you have a good Easter.

ps. wanting to take a few people with you to share your watery grave is not something I would be proud of... Now volunteering to stay behind as part of the 20% and encouraging others to do the same... I might say that is applaudable.



Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Minor in psych and the study seems as legit as anything.

 

So... I've got a Major.  So if you want to play the "Degrees game" on that...

I don't know what to tell you.

Well other then if you relied soley on textbooks for your knowledge in pscyhology your better off not having the degree.  You'd be surprised how much it gets simplified and outright changed.

Even reading Frued directly compared to what is written about him in a textbook is a trip.

As for Maslow... What Maslow believed was a lot different.  One of my teachers was a friend of the guy.  Was going to be taught by him directly but he died before then.

But I can breakdown the study without even going in to why non interpersonal happiness ratings are BS.  I'll do that in the next post to avoid the massive quote tree.

 

 

Ninja editted my post, sorry may not have gotten to see it:

If anything it just goes to show that once you remove the financial worries out of people's lives they become happier overall. Even if they pay 75% of their income for those comforts.

 



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835