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TheRealMafoo on 12 April 2009

I think some people skipped some threads :).

The only reason I am talking about a society without money, is tombi123 said he wants a society without money, and that if such a place existed, it would not be socialist. I was disagreeing with him by saying any society without money is inherently socialistic.

I know socialist countries can have money :)



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TheRealMafoo on 12 April 2009
tombi123 said:
I think it is very pessimistic to suggest that money is the greatest motivator. In fact it makes me ashamed to be human.

 

I think the opposite. Money is a way to transfer and store your efforts. It's a way to build something better for your children, or a way to take your time, and donate it to charities.

It's a measure of hard work, and dedication.

To all the RPG fans, it's Real Life XP :)



fmc83 on 12 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
I think some people skipped some threads :).

The only reason I am talking about a society without money, is tombi123 said he wants a society without money, and that if such a place existed, it would not be socialist. I was disagreeing with him by saying any society without money is inherently socialistic.

I know socialist countries can have money :)

 

Yeah it gets kind of confusing with you opening not one but two great threads^^ But I reckon this time it was you skipping the thread. Won't throw the first stone though



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vlad321 on 12 April 2009
tombi123 said:
vlad321 said:
Also for people praising the science and technology incentives. My father, as a professor, earns less than just about any business. Let's not go into athletes or the even more useless actors and models. How so? Shouldn't professors and teachers be at the top considering all these things are what actually make the human race better, not some retarded CEO?

 

Yes absolutely! Professors and teachers are the most important people/jobs in the world. What does your father teach in?

 

Math.



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tombi123 on 12 April 2009
vlad321 said:
tombi123 said:
vlad321 said:
Also for people praising the science and technology incentives. My father, as a professor, earns less than just about any business. Let's not go into athletes or the even more useless actors and models. How so? Shouldn't professors and teachers be at the top considering all these things are what actually make the human race better, not some retarded CEO?

 

Yes absolutely! Professors and teachers are the most important people/jobs in the world. What does your father teach in?

 

Math.

 

Wow. The most important subject too. I'm a Physics undergrad.



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tombi123 on 12 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:
I think it is very pessimistic to suggest that money is the greatest motivator. In fact it makes me ashamed to be human.

 

I think the opposite. Money is a way to transfer and store your efforts. It's a way to build something better for your children, or a way to take your time, and donate it to charities.

It's a measure of hard work, and dedication.

To all the RPG fans, it's Real Life XP :)

 

In no way is money a reflection of hard work and dedication. I work in a restuarant kitchen. The head chef work 15 hour shifts, 6 days a week. For the amount of hard work and dedication he puts in he should be a millionaire. He isn't, he works for a modest wage. 

I'm guessing you earn quite a lot...

I just feel that our obsession with money is holding human potential back...



FaRmLaNd on 12 April 2009

neither. a mix of both is the best



Final-Fan on 12 April 2009

What I saw in the OP:
Selective observation + anecdotes
Black-and-white worldview
Thread spamming*

*Although the thread title is different, the thread is clearly the same sort of thing as the other thread he just made.



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ManusJustus on 12 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

Today, the poor live longer, eat better, live in better housing, have better services, and safety then they did 100 years ago, all because of Capitalism.

Thats simply not true.  If it wasnt for socialism (government funding jobs, technology, etc) we wouldnt have satellites, nuclear power, and even computers right now.  We would be sitting around a burning barrel talking about how great capitalism is. 

The most succesful economic system can be found in Scandinavia, where their version of a mixed economy makes them the best off in the world.

# 1   Luxembourg: $89,563.63 per capita   
# 2   Norway: $66,964.36 per capita   
# 3   Iceland: $53,029.30 per capita   
# 4   Ireland: $52,892.89 per capita   
# 5   Qatar: $52,239.72 per capita   
# 6   Switzerland: $51,032.66 per capita   
# 7   Denmark: $50,702.00 per capita   
# 8   United States: $44,155.00 per capita   
# 9   Sweden: $42,553.49 per capita   
# 10   Netherlands: $40,167.13 per capita   
# 11   Finland: $39,855.93 per capita   
# 12   Austria: $39,131.37 per capita 

 
# 13   United Kingdom:

$38,849.97 per capita 

NOTE: Urban areas have larger GDP than their rural counterparts, and Luxembourg is a predominately urban area.  Large countries, like the United States, Norway, Great Britain, etc. include urban and rural areas and, thus, their GDP can be more accurately compared.  Luxembourg's GDP is similar to that of New York City, and for better analysis should only be compared to other urban areas.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-per-capita



tombi123 on 12 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:




 I care that the poor's lifestyle is getting better faster then the poor's lifestyle would in a different system. Today, the poor live longer, eat better, live in better housing, have better services, and safety then they did 100 years ago, all because of Capitalism.

 

I've never read such shit in my life... do you even know any poor people?