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^Banks have to take risks with people's money, that's how sustainable economical development happens: investment.

Investment is risky.

You could then say "fine, only give money to firms", but then the credit supply for consumers would be fucked and, for example, no one would be able to pick up a mortgage.

It's a really narrow line to walk.



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GamingChartzFTW said:

TheRealMafoo said:

 

A world with no money, is socialism. Communism

*face palm*

The Soviet Union and China = Semi Communist. After the initial 'state revolutions' (the Russian revolution was actually a Coup d'état spawning a civil war between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks) command economies/central sector planning was implemented.

Romania, Yugoslavia etc. used to be Socialist States.

Denmark (already mentioned in this thread) is a Capitalist (Social Democratic) Northern European Nation. Not a socialist country. The average yank don't know European Geography, nor do they know that much about the Economic History of Europe (there are exceptions to this rule). Denmark is a capitalist society with an independent central bank, stockexchange etc. A free market in every sense of the word. France, Ireland, UK, Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Italy etc. all resemble capitalist Denmark. Again.. Europe is not socialist. Fact.

america is the "extreme" capitalist state on this planet. This explains why so many uneducated americans (some of them news anchors) view every other capitalist nation on earth as ''socialist' or "almost socialist". Lecturers and professors always had a hard time explaining this to their student masses.

Btw..interesting discussion.

Good Luck with your thread mafo

This is exactly the point I wanted to clear two or three pages before. Thanks for writing this!

 



vlad321 said:
Wait am I reading this right? Capitalism invents stuff and everything? WOW. Again, under Bullionism the world advanced far more than has under Capitalism. As for why things get invented in the US faster now it's simple: 2 World Wars.

2 world wars completely decimated every power in the world except, you guessed it, the US who have NEVER fought a war on their soil, not even an attack. With the WWs of course most sensible people and anyone who could fled to the US, it was the only safe haven. Capitalism doesn't have SHIT to do with it. It's purely geological reasons and luck.

So people don't want to go where people pay them the most?

The world war 2 defense would of been more credible 20-30 years ago... but currently?

 



GamingChartzFTW said:

TheRealMafoo said:

 

A world with no money, is socialism. Communism

*face palm*

The Soviet Union and China = Semi Communist. After the initial 'state revolutions' (the Russian revolution was actually a Coup d'état spawning a civil war between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks) command economies/central sector planning was implemented.

Romania, Yugoslavia etc. used to be Socialist States.

Denmark (already mentioned in this thread) is a Capitalist (Social Democratic) Northern European Nation. Not a socialist country. The average yank don't know European Geography, nor do they know that much about the Economic History of Europe (there are exceptions to this rule). Denmark is a capitalist society with an independent central bank, stockexchange etc. A free market in every sense of the word. France, Ireland, UK, Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Italy etc. all resemble capitalist Denmark. Again.. Europe is not socialist. Fact.

america is the "extreme" capitalist state on this planet. This explains why so many uneducated americans (some of them news anchors) view every other capitalist nation on earth as ''socialist' or "almost socialist". Lecturers and professors always had a hard time explaining this to their student masses.

Btw..interesting discussion.

Good Luck with your thread mafo

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist

“As a political ideology, communism is usually considered to be a branch of socialism.”

So if it's Communism, it's Socialism, as Communism is a form of Socialism.

And I am not talking about Denmark. Last I checked, they have money :p



akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

 

I disagree.

the country of the US in this case, was the customer. They wanted a product to beat the Russians at there own game, and purchased it from the company with the best solution.

We landed on the moon, because someone was willing to pay for it.

So if the government wants it and is willing to pay for it, then its ok? That seems to contradict everything I have ever heard you say.

 

 

I didn't say it's ok, I just said that the government paying for something, does not mean it's not Capitalism. SamuelRSmith seemed to imply that the government funding NASA meant that the space program was not advanced though Capitalism. I was just arguing that point :)



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TheRealMafoo said:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist

“As a political ideology, communism is usually considered to be a branch of socialism.”

So if it's Communism, it's Socialism, as Communism is a form of Socialism.

And I am not talking about Denmark. Last I checked, they have money :p

 

Wrong. Communism is, according to Marx, the final stage in human society, therefore an utopia, where people don't care for themselves alone any more but just what's best to improve society and every advancement helping to improve it, because that's what going to improve their own lives. Simply because they all know, what is the best thing to do and in this again utopian stage, you wouldn't need any money. Socialism was/is the approach to get to that stage and it simply failed/ fails, because humankind will be never capable of getting there because of greed. By the way there was/ is money in socialist countries.



Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Wait am I reading this right? Capitalism invents stuff and everything? WOW. Again, under Bullionism the world advanced far more than has under Capitalism. As for why things get invented in the US faster now it's simple: 2 World Wars.

2 world wars completely decimated every power in the world except, you guessed it, the US who have NEVER fought a war on their soil, not even an attack. With the WWs of course most sensible people and anyone who could fled to the US, it was the only safe haven. Capitalism doesn't have SHIT to do with it. It's purely geological reasons and luck.

So people don't want to go where people pay them the most?

The world war 2 defense would of been more credible 20-30 years ago... but currently?

 

 

Currently yes. It's a snowball effect that started in the 2 world wars. It has nothign to do with capitalism. You have to remember that all the economies and industrie started at literally zero back then, while US's was completely unaffected. Basically "Here, your car was destroyed, race with me and my car, now built by YOUR engineers."



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

In fact by that reasoning it's not "What's betetr for all Capitalism or Socialism," but more along the lines of "It's better to have an ocean between you and any large conflict at all times."



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

I think it is very pessimistic to suggest that money is the greatest motivator. In fact it makes me ashamed to be human.

In a world with no money, technology would advance to improve the lives of the population and their children. Instead in a capitalist world, the rich get what they want, which doesn't necessarily improve the lives of the population, but it does improve their bank balance.

We shouldn't be using oil to fuel our cars, we should be using electricity generated by solar power, which would cost next to nothing and is sustainable unlike fossil fuel. Instead we pay through the nose for petrol.

If capitalist companies could have their way, they would charge you for the air you breathe. They've already fooled you into buying bottled water.



Socialism is fine...If practiced by the populace, and not the government.

Tombi, do you have any idea as to why solar isn't a currently viable option for electricity generation?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.