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puffy on 12 April 2009
786_ali said:
saimcheeda said:
puffy said:
saimcheeda said:
puffy said:
Of course Sony's 10 year plan failed.. They thought they'd be having a little under PS2-like success but over a longer period so that eventually they'd have as much or an even larger install base. The PS3 will last around 7 or maybe even 8 years only because Sony will push it for as long as they possibly can and it has a lot of room on it's price..

However that said, they will release a console in 2012, i'm sure of that.. 10 year plan doesn't mean no console for 10 years, PS3 came out in the 6th year of the PS2's life and that console is very much what Sony aimed for with their 10 year plan.

yah thats right ps3 may bot go full 10 years but going 8 years is still not a failure!!n sony may also release the next console in 2012 but i hope they release it in 2013 n be smart about it

 

Well it's a failure in that it wasn't 10 years of a 10 year plan but no in terms of system life, 8 years is by no means a failure.

However I think the PS3 will end up being a failed product by the end of its life as it will probably only barely break even if it does.. It does have one thing going for it though, it helped Blu-Ray win the system war with HD-DVD and perhaps the profits from Blu-Ray will end up outweighing the losses from the PS3.

Sony just need a clearer business plan and create a product for the consumers not a product for the hardware fanatics. Doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for the best but they should know their limits.

 

 I disagree with u on the point that the ps3 is a failure i dont think it will be a failure but a dissapointment...compared to the ps1 n ps2...but i beleive it will end up 2nd this gen...so it wont be a failure....yes sony shpild have had a clearer plan and not be arrogant like they were at the beginning of this gen

define arrogance please. Please don't tell me that you percieve the meaning of arrogance as; putting the latest technology(Blu-ray, cell etc.) in a console, or selling the console at a massive loss.

 

 

I'd define arrogance thusly:

"I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that." -- Nikkei Business, 01/05

"The Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console." -- Impress PC Watch, 05/05

"[PS3 is] for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." -- Toyo Keizai, 07/05

“Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan (Karate master), and Microsoft is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release.”

"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why Xbox 360 became like that."

“Microsoft is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology.”

“We’re not going to equip the PS3 with a HDD by default, because no matter how much capacity we put in it, it won’t be enough.”

“If processors of high performance and wide bandwidth like the Cell were linked together without sufficient security, a worldwide system crash could occur with one attack.”

 

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puffy on 12 April 2009

I might also add that the arrogance hasn't gone yet either:

Sony's Kaz Hirai must be off his meds, because he's talking like the PS3 is the one out there selling like hotcakes. Okay, we'll concede that Russia may be more receptive to your products, but on a global scale, the sales figures aren't even comparable. So, what gives?

"This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry," he said. Uh, okay, well how would you measure leadership other than success? In terms of Nintendo and their competition with Sony, Kaz had more bizarre things to say. "It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor," he said. "They're a different world, and we operate in our world - that's the kind of way I look at things."

Kaz is, uh, quite delusional, if we may say so. Relax, Kaz. At least you have your PS2 sales to lean on. No need to create fantasy worlds for your mind to live in.

http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2009/01/20/sonys-kaz-hirai-delusional-sees-sony-as-industry-leader-ninte/



 

saimcheeda on 12 April 2009
puffy said:
I might also add that the arrogance hasn't gone yet either:

Sony's Kaz Hirai must be off his meds, because he's talking like the PS3 is the one out there selling like hotcakes. Okay, we'll concede that Russia may be more receptive to your products, but on a global scale, the sales figures aren't even comparable. So, what gives?

"This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry," he said. Uh, okay, well how would you measure leadership other than success? In terms of Nintendo and their competition with Sony, Kaz had more bizarre things to say. "It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor," he said. "They're a different world, and we operate in our world - that's the kind of way I look at things."

Kaz is, uh, quite delusional, if we may say so. Relax, Kaz. At least you have your PS2 sales to lean on. No need to create fantasy worlds for your mind to live in.

http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2009/01/20/sonys-kaz-hirai-delusional-sees-sony-as-industry-leader-ninte/

 

 well as of late i wouldnt call arrogance i would call supporting their own console...and ms also is a lot arrogant coz i feel that they attack sony more than they talk about their own console



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puffy on 12 April 2009
saimcheeda said:
puffy said:
I might also add that the arrogance hasn't gone yet either:

Sony's Kaz Hirai must be off his meds, because he's talking like the PS3 is the one out there selling like hotcakes. Okay, we'll concede that Russia may be more receptive to your products, but on a global scale, the sales figures aren't even comparable. So, what gives?

"This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry," he said. Uh, okay, well how would you measure leadership other than success? In terms of Nintendo and their competition with Sony, Kaz had more bizarre things to say. "It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor," he said. "They're a different world, and we operate in our world - that's the kind of way I look at things."

Kaz is, uh, quite delusional, if we may say so. Relax, Kaz. At least you have your PS2 sales to lean on. No need to create fantasy worlds for your mind to live in.

http://nintendo.joystiq.com/2009/01/20/sonys-kaz-hirai-delusional-sees-sony-as-industry-leader-ninte/

 

 well as of late i wouldnt call arrogance i would call supporting their own console...and ms also is a lot arrogant coz i feel that they attack sony more than they talk about their own console

 

Kaz is still arrogant but I'm with you on Microsoft.. Even Reggie from Nintendo has been sounding arrogant lately.. I'm glad Iwata is as humble as ever though



 

Mr Khan on 12 April 2009
puffy said:
Microsoft won't rush their next console.. They know how much that hurt..

Also Mr Khan.. Can you please tell me why you think Nintendo will release their next console in 2011? I don't think that's very likely..

They'll continue to support the Wii after 2011 to a certain extent, a sort of 3rd-pillar strategy like with 2005 and early 2006 and the GBA and the DS. Recent evidence supports that they can't keep the Wii going in Japan forever, so regardless of its performance in other markets, they'll want to keep moving forward. Equally, they've said they take the coming DTV transition in Japan "very seriously," a transition scheduled to take place on July 24, 2011. They'll do what is necessary to keep complete backwards compatibility, so that it doesn't matter that 2012's "Persona 5" releases on Wii, you can play it on your N6.

 

I just don't see how they'll keep the console going for an incredibly long time. A 5-year run is well-balanced to suit Nintendo's development capabilities, since they don't seem to be rapidly expanding their development capabilities (yeah, there is that new R&D complex they're building, but it won't be until 2013 or so until they have that built). Their ability to move customers upstream means that they can move with relative impunity.

 



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