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puffy on 12 April 2009
LordTheNightKnight said:
NJ5 said:

Another possible flop is Dead Rising for the Wii. Capcom expected 500k in sales, it's at 100k now so it's not very likely to reach that.

It's showing some legs in Japan though (selling 3k+ for many weeks now).

 

 

Although some think it deserves it because they are convinced the game was a cheap cash-in, when it's actually the most expensive kind of port, and they think it should look like RE4, when the 360 version wasn't that more detailed than RE4 (it's like comparing GTAIV to Gears; one is meant to showcase scale, and the other is to showcase graphics; there is no way the scale games can look as good as the graphics games).

But Capcom does need to market it more. That's one thing Ubisoft remembered. Even their casual games are marketed.

 

It deserves bad sales because Capcom tried to change the IP so much to fit into the RE4 engine but still sell based on the name and it worked out in a weird in between world.. They should have either created a new engine for the game to show case that scale, perhaps cel shading could have worked well.. But instead they did it awkwardly and the sales show that.. I wouldn't count it out yet though.. We all know Wii games have legs..



 

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LordTheNightKnight on 12 April 2009
Lafiel said:

@ DiplomaticImunity)

psst , every Wii game is profitable, there are no flops, never - Wii games with low sales were always supposed to have low sales (if you want to enjoy life on vgchartz you have to agree to this)

 

Psst, strawmanning is little better than trolling and can get you reported if you keep it up.

This would apply to the other systems as well.



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Esa-Petteri on 12 April 2009
Lafiel said:

@ DiplomaticImunity)

psst , every Wii game is profitable, there are no flops, never - Wii games with low sales were always supposed to have low sales (if you want to enjoy life on vgchartz you have to agree to this)

 

I agree on this one! It is so annoying that some HD-fanboys try to bash games on ninty platforms thinking that a game would not have made teh money back! They always do, since they are either niche(not expecting good sales), cheap ports or not marketed properly.



MaxwellGT2000 on 12 April 2009
SaviorX said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
puffy said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
You have to keep in mind that these are the same forums where people gladly scream that Wii and DS are still "fads" despite destroying their competition. For this to be a sales site, facts and logic are frighteningly scarce as of late. What you've written should be common sense, but...we'll see how many people actually follow it.

What I find the most strange is that I've never really hard anyone admit to a flop on a non-Nintendo platform. Whenever something remotely anticipated hits the Wii or DS the forums and game pages are flooded with the excited screams of "FLOP FLOP SHOULDN'T HAV BEN ON NINTENDO CONSOLE FLOP FLOPZ!11" Something flops on another platform and no one bats an eyelash. Bring it up and people will refuse to acknowledge it. There was massive trolling over GTA: CW sales and that's a game that's going to sell millions. I don't think I've heard a single person talk about Resistance: Retribution's sales and this is just a few months after massive Resistance 2 hype and all this talk about how this massive franchise was going to take down Gears 2. There are countless attacks on No More Heroes despite its success and a sequel announced yet no one seems to be concerned about the future of Mirror's Edge.

I agree with this however games like lair and haze are considered flops so it's not like there are no instances at all..

 

 

Well they were "savior-class" games, it was hard to ignore them because they were the only subject. It was mostly other people pointing it out anyway. I remember the Lair meltdowns being quite epic. It was awhile before those hyping finally accepted what happened. Besides, it's not like they don't hide behind a defense. The games being bad is quite reasonable, but you never quite hear the fanboy indignation over that defense that you will over any Wii game and why it did/didn't perform a certain.

But I think the hypocrisy is quite damaging because it's this blatant obsession with Wii/DS games that's making these people oblivious to what really matters. Chinatown Wars is not a flop, never was and never will be, and yet fanboys just harp on it constantly. Meanwhile Resistance: Retribution sinks like a rock.  GTA is not going to impact the immediate future of the DS, so its success or failure isn't even as important as people make it out to be. On the other hand, Resistance: Retribution is one of Sony's first steps to reviving their dead platform outside of Japan. If this failed what does that imply for the games to follow? I think Sony's approach is flawed but no one is talking about. Where is the Resistance hype from last fall? Why are the Sony fans not supporting the PSP? No one really talks about it...

 

I noticed that as well. It seems like the Wii always has to PROVE something. It has to prove it can sell core games, 3rd party games, rated-M games, etc. Wanted flopped, no one cares. 50 Cent: Blood on The Sand flop, not a peep. Facebreaker K.O. Party sold more on the Wii than PS3/360 combined, but since it sucks so much,no one cares.

 

I don't know,but people still think the Wii is a threat to "hardcore" gaming, when in reality, it is receiving the most unique titles this generation..

 

 

Yeah the PSP has never pushed software very well and that's an issue, but I support every good PSP game with my money, I bought Resistance Retribution first day.

OT: The overall "hardcore" gamers image of Nintendo has been that Nintendo doesn't live up to their needs and wants for years, before Wii, before DS, it can be traced back as far as the Nintendo's for kids statements about the NES when the "hardcore" gamers were all on PC playing their point and click adventure games. 

Today people think Nintendo has to live up to their expectations because they're from the PS1 era of gaming, they came in during the PS1 era and was told Nintendo doesn't cater to them, these people have always believed that and probably always will, these are also some of the most seasoned and vocal fanboys on the net and sadly the typical fan everyone pictures when talking about "what fans want"

But really Nintendo doesn't have to prove itself to anyone especially not some internet game nerds, they're pleasing their fans, that's what matters, they're dominating the console race, and they're making new fans all the time, so no amount of living up to these "hardcore" gamers will add up to anything but pleasing everyone else is.



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NJ5 on 12 April 2009
DiplomaticImmunity said:
mad world wasnt just a flop
it was an epic flop
i mean even hazed had the hype like madwold and it sold more
even too human sold more i believe


1- You can't judge flops by comparing sales, budgets and publisher expectations should be taken into account.

2- Madworld was surely cheaper to make than Haze and Too Human.

3- Sega is happy with the initial sales data.

4- Madworld will keep selling for some time.

Lafiel said:

@ DiplomaticImunity )

psst , every Wii game is profitable, there are no flops, never - Wii games with low sales were always supposed to have low sales and in 100% the cases sold better than the devs/publishers expected (if you want to enjoy life on vgchartz you have to accept this)

What's the point of this post in a thread where people are admitting certain games flopped? Are you actively trying to look ridiculous?

 



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Lafiel on 12 April 2009

@ Lord )

I only ment to portray a quite widespread Wiideology with a bit of exaggeration, ironie and sarcasm.

I'm sorry, if anyone felt deeply offended by that.



puffy on 12 April 2009
NJ5 said:
DiplomaticImmunity said:
mad world wasnt just a flop
it was an epic flop
i mean even hazed had the hype like madwold and it sold more
even too human sold more i believe


1- You can't judge flops by comparing sales, budgets and publisher expectations should be taken into account.

2- Madworld was surely cheaper to make than Haze and Too Human.

3- Sega is happy with the initial sales data.

4- Madworld will keep selling for some time.

Why bother.. lol

We need some kind of education system on this site.. Maybe certain posters should have stars or what not to show that they know what they're talking about? I vote DiplomaticImmunity never gets any stars :P

 



 

The on 12 April 2009

Well, the previous king of the market (Sony PS2) had over 210 million sellers. I think that's part of the reason many fans expect the Wii to perform to that level selling 3rd party software.



mike_intellivision on 12 April 2009

At present

The PS2 has been out 3.6x longer.
The PS2 has sold 2.65x hardware.
The PS2 controlled two-thirds more of the market.

That could be why it has moved so much more software, relatively speaking.

The Wii is still early in its life cycle. It also has a different ownership demographic, which affects the type of software it moves.

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nitekrawler1285 on 12 April 2009
mike_intellivision said:
At present

The PS2 has been out 3.6x longer.
The PS2 has sold 2.65x hardware.
The PS2 controlled two-thirds more of the market.

That could be why it has moved so much more software, relatively speaking.

The Wii is still early in its life cycle. It also has a different ownership demographic, which affects the type of software it moves.

Mike from Morgantown

 

While I understand this it would seem as if everyone on this site just wants to compare things to whatever was biggest and best beforehand when it is not always directly applicable.  It's the same reason why every game is "flopped" because it didn't do wii Fit or Halo 3 numbers reguardless of genre and mass market appeal or series history. 

So while that should be the end of this thread it sadly wont.