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Bursche on 10 April 2009
ssj12 said:
I look at it this way. A fetus is nothing more than a parasite until it stops feeding off its mother.

 

 Are comatose patients parasites because they have to "feed" off of substenance from others instead of its own? Also the fact is that it's not a "parasite", its a fetus, and its human. And like all other humans, it may have certain rights, such as the right to life.

 

@Slimebeast

Killing the willing is still murder, or at least supporting suicide since there is no intent. But killing a human is different than killing animals, it is accepted as being different, that is why we have laws and unalienable rights agreed upon by the international community, animals do not.



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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
Bursche said:
ctk495 said:
No,it´s up to the parents to decide.

 

 Why? The parent's decision outweighs the fetus' right to life? If this is the case why can't parents kill a newly born baby?

 

@Kasz216

Why set the barrier at brain waves? What's your line of reasoning that makes this the line that makes a fetus human instead of the 10th week? And if you believe the line is at 12, do you think abortion from the 12th to 23rd (24th) week, which is the acceptable limit now, is a crime against humanity? Is this considered murder?

I view brainwaves as the begginings of "consiousness" and time of the attachment of a soul.

It's the same with the end of life right?  People who are brain dead are considered "not alive" as humans anymore so it's ok to pull the chord on them.

And yeah... i'd 12th to 23rd week abortions wrong... assuming brainwaves are present.



SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
lmfao, good grief no, its not a crime in any sense of the word as Pro-Choicers like me dont believe that the fetus is alive until birth or some other stage of development

 

 So a fetus at the end of the 3rd trimester, in which if in pre-mature birth, can live on its own, is not alive? What about the LIVING cells inside the mother's womb? Not alive? The fetus is alive. Whether it has concience, can feel pain, or is even considered human is debatable. But it is alive, this is undisputed.

If all you have for your choice on this controversial topic is a basic understanding of misconceptions about the subject, please for everyone's sake, and especially your own, do research and form your own opinion on the matter and not just the news bite pieced together bits of information that form most people's.

 

wtf? what on earth warranted this attack?

the fetus is considered to be alive at different times by different people, that is the entire reason we debate this issue, i consider it alive at birth, you dont, thats why its called a debate!



Bursche on 10 April 2009
GamingChartzFTW said:
ctk495 said:
No,it´s up to the parents to decide.

 

 This.

 

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ctk495 said:
No,it´s up to the parents to decide.

 

 Why? The parent's decision outweighs the fetus' right to life? If this is the case why can't parents kill a newly born baby?"

The parents' have no recognized right to a child's life, why should it have it for a fetus? You can argue a mother does because of the right to privacy, which can be debated, but the father has no say in the matter. There is no accepted right for parents' rule over their children. So please explain further.



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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
lmfao, good grief no, its not a crime in any sense of the word as Pro-Choicers like me dont believe that the fetus is alive until birth or some other stage of development

 

 So a fetus at the end of the 3rd trimester, in which if in pre-mature birth, can live on its own, is not alive? What about the LIVING cells inside the mother's womb? Not alive? The fetus is alive. Whether it has concience, can feel pain, or is even considered human is debatable. But it is alive, this is undisputed.

If all you have for your choice on this controversial topic is a basic understanding of misconceptions about the subject, please for everyone's sake, and especially your own, do research and form your own opinion on the matter and not just the news bite pieced together bits of information that form most people's.

 

wtf? what on earth warranted this attack?

the fetus is considered to be alive at different times by different people, that is the entire reason we debate this issue, i consider it alive at birth, you dont, thats why its called a debate!

It's not an issue about when a fetus is alive though.

It's an issue about when a fetus is a person.

 



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SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
lmfao, good grief no, its not a crime in any sense of the word as Pro-Choicers like me dont believe that the fetus is alive until birth or some other stage of development

 

 So a fetus at the end of the 3rd trimester, in which if in pre-mature birth, can live on its own, is not alive? What about the LIVING cells inside the mother's womb? Not alive? The fetus is alive. Whether it has concience, can feel pain, or is even considered human is debatable. But it is alive, this is undisputed.

If all you have for your choice on this controversial topic is a basic understanding of misconceptions about the subject, please for everyone's sake, and especially your own, do research and form your own opinion on the matter and not just the news bite pieced together bits of information that form most people's.

 

wtf? what on earth warranted this attack?

the fetus is considered to be alive at different times by different people, that is the entire reason we debate this issue, i consider it alive at birth, you dont, thats why its called a debate!

It's not an issue about when a fetus is alive though.

It's an issue about when a fetus is a person.

 

isnt a person a live human?

i mean from what i understand, the debate is about when you believe life begins?

 



Bursche on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
lmfao, good grief no, its not a crime in any sense of the word as Pro-Choicers like me dont believe that the fetus is alive until birth or some other stage of development

 

 So a fetus at the end of the 3rd trimester, in which if in pre-mature birth, can live on its own, is not alive? What about the LIVING cells inside the mother's womb? Not alive? The fetus is alive. Whether it has concience, can feel pain, or is even considered human is debatable. But it is alive, this is undisputed.

If all you have for your choice on this controversial topic is a basic understanding of misconceptions about the subject, please for everyone's sake, and especially your own, do research and form your own opinion on the matter and not just the news bite pieced together bits of information that form most people's.

 

wtf? what on earth warranted this attack?

the fetus is considered to be alive at different times by different people, that is the entire reason we debate this issue, i consider it alive at birth, you dont, thats why its called a debate!

No, that is a misconception. It is undebateable that it is alive. Whether you define "alive" in the sense that it feels pain, or is conscious is not what is accepted, scientifically and medically, it is alive. It has living cells and is as living as the cells in you and I, or in a tree for instance. It is alive.

The real debate is whether or not the fetus has the right to life. If it does, then an abortion is taking away it's right to life, causing murder. The systematic practice of abortion is thusly a crime against humanity as defined by the ICC. So again, the debate is whether or not it has this right to life, as in, the protection from others from taking it away.

 



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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Bursche said:
SciFiBoy said:
lmfao, good grief no, its not a crime in any sense of the word as Pro-Choicers like me dont believe that the fetus is alive until birth or some other stage of development

 

 So a fetus at the end of the 3rd trimester, in which if in pre-mature birth, can live on its own, is not alive? What about the LIVING cells inside the mother's womb? Not alive? The fetus is alive. Whether it has concience, can feel pain, or is even considered human is debatable. But it is alive, this is undisputed.

If all you have for your choice on this controversial topic is a basic understanding of misconceptions about the subject, please for everyone's sake, and especially your own, do research and form your own opinion on the matter and not just the news bite pieced together bits of information that form most people's.

 

wtf? what on earth warranted this attack?

the fetus is considered to be alive at different times by different people, that is the entire reason we debate this issue, i consider it alive at birth, you dont, thats why its called a debate!

It's not an issue about when a fetus is alive though.

It's an issue about when a fetus is a person.

 

isnt a person a live human?

i mean from what i understand, the debate is about when you believe life begins?

It's when human life begins.

However a Fetus is a live fetus.

It's as much alive as a squirrel, Plant, Tapeworm.... whatever.

The question is... when does it become a human which is given what we consider intrinsic rights.

 



SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009

@ Bursche

oh, ok, in which case, the mothers rights take precedence as the fetus is in the mother until its born, thats how i see it anyway, so as people said, its for the parents to decide (though i think its just upto the mother as shes the one having the child)



Bursche on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
@ Bursche

oh, ok, in which case, the mothers rights take precedence as the fetus is in the mother until its born, thats how i see it anyway, so as people said, its for the parents to decide (though i think its just upto the mother as shes the one having the child)

 

 So you are saying that the mother's right to privacy is more important than the fetus' right to life? Privacy is a right more treasured than life? I just want to know why you believe this.



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