When it comes to rape, I still believe the child has done nothing wrong so why should it be killed? Obviously the mother could give it up for adoption. In terms of the mother possibly dying from the pregnancy then I believe abortion is an option, because what rights do we honestly have if not the right of self perseverance? Aside from those extremes I cannot justify snuffing out a life for convenience, which is what 99.9% of abortions are done for.

I am not arguing a faith based argument here, all I am doing is advocating the rights held by a human being in every stage of its life, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another. The fact that abortions are done for convenience so that not to put the mother into a position where she has to raise a child are not greater than the right to life by the child. The right to life of the mother (for you nitpickers obviously in the physical sense) if threaten by an impending birth outweighs the life of the child due to the ability of the mother to communicate her wishes and invoke her right of self perseverance.  That is where a lot of my more ‘religious’ friends disagree with me.

We have two extremes to this issue and both sides look completely selfish and utterly misguided. One extreme demands abortion on demand and claims a human being in the early stages isn’t a human being and thus there is a right to violate its right to life. They use arguments justifying murder yet claim they are compassionate to the plight of the women, who the VAST majority of the time walks away with severe emotional damage.  The other side refuses to accept the option of abortion in any sense, risking the life of women and even abused children because they alone have the authority to risk human life for they own twisted view of saving grace with their god.  Yet the woman dies or has medical problems which in turn make her a dependent of society and a hollow husk of the possible life she could have had.

To borrow a line from the beginning of the thread, those who advocate abortion are all alive themselves. Like the people who wants to lower the number of human beings, just like those who advocate abortion under any circumstance, who gives anyone the right to make that choice? Might want to read the forward to State of Fear before you advocate lowering our numbers, or by all means just like that dumb ass in England who sterilized herself to do her part to save the planet, please do so and leave the rest of us alone.

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When it comes to rape, I still believe the child has done nothing wrong so why should it be killed?

The fetus doesn't know anything bad is happening to it. Why should it not be killed? 

Obviously the mother could give it up for adoption.

Add another being to the already overpopulated state of the human world? Think of the staving africans.

In terms of the mother possibly dying from the pregnancy then I believe abortion is an option, because what rights do we honestly have if not the right of self perseverance? Aside from those extremes I cannot justify snuffing out a life for convenience, which is what 99.9% of abortions are done for.

Well, what if it's not only for convienience, but for the greater good. Fetuses don't know they're dying, and don't know how wonderful life can be. Also, just in case you may argue, what if someone shot me in the head while I was sleeping? That's different, I'm already born, have freinds, family, hopes, and dreams. A fetus has none of this.  

I am not arguing a faith based argument here, all I am doing is advocating the rights held by a human being in every stage of its life, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another.

Well, your argument isn't faith based, but it isn't logic based either. In earlier stages, before significant brain activity and pain perception starts, what's wrong with abortion?

We have two extremes to this issue and both sides look completely selfish and utterly misguided.

I disagree. My side is better as it helps humanity and uses logic. More people adding to this world's consumtion is not needed, and in early stages the fetus isn't developed enough for it to matter. Your side: Fetuses have rights because I think it's the right thing. If that's not your side please correct me.

One extreme demands abortion on demand and claims a human being in the early stages isn’t a human being and thus there is a right to violate its right to life. They use arguments justifying murder yet claim they are compassionate to the plight of the women, who the VAST majority of the time walks away with severe emotional damage.  

Once again, the dictioanry definition of murder is unlawful killing of another human being. Abortion is within the law. Anyways, It's womens own fault if they have emotional damage after an abortion. Better than a damaged vagina and 9 months of pregnancy and pain.

To borrow a line from the beginning of the thread, those who advocate abortion are all alive themselves.

Who's to say that? You don't know dead or unborn's people's opinions. They don't have any.

Might want to read the forward to State of Fear before you advocate lowering our numbers, or by all means just like that dumb ass in England who sterilized herself to do her part to save the planet, please do so and leave the rest of us alone.

State of fear? Please elaborate. Lowering our numbers is a good thing if we do it by peaceful means, and remain peaceful. I don't want to leave you alone. I'm not advocating sterilizing yourself.

That's my point exactly. Who the f*ck are you to say what a woman can and can't do? Have you or your wife been in such a position? You don't know shit when it comes to the situations under abortion, plain and simple. I might as well argue with my physics prof about physics (im not a PHS major at all). Even if you were in such a situation, your conditions may have been far far better off than someone else's. Therefore, pro-Arrogance.

What does make me smile though are the majority of people who argue pro choice policies are unlikely to reproduce themselves. Which if you're going to advocate the destruction of your own species then by all means don't continue your damaged gene pool.