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mrstickball on 10 April 2009

So our poorest citizens can't get on Medicaid? Since when?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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highwaystar101 on 10 April 2009
mrstickball said:
SciFi, you want to give an example of history that follows your description there?

I think he extracted that arguement straight out of outfoxed, if you've ever watched that you know which bit I mean.

In the film it compared the millitary budget to the Education and healthcare budgets and basically stated that you could increase Education and healthcare levels in America by 100%, or something, and still maintain the worlds largest millitary. It's not that it was bad, it was that it could be better.



SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009
mrstickball said:
So our poorest citizens can't get on Medicaid? Since when?

the BBC had a report a while back that said 13,000 died last year in the US from a lack of healthcare



GamingChartzFTW on 10 April 2009

Lolcislaw said:
Wow, the problem is that European Union is not working as a single economy, this organisation obviously ties those economies yet there are so many differences beetween nations states no once could consider EU as a single economy. It is. The Four Freedoms are already 'active' and functioning.

  • The free movement of goods;
  • The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers, and freedom of establishment;
  • The free movement of services;
  • The free movement of capital.

The European Central Bank in Frankfurt is responsible for monetary policy covering the 16 member States of the Eurozone.

To name a few (cause its alte):

-Euro is only a currency in 16 nation states More nations soon to come.
-There is a huge economic difference beetween states from Former Eastern Bloc (Poland , Hungary, Latvia) and those from the "old" Europe; France, UK or Germany That is the current situation, yes?
All those countries benefit differently from common agricultural policy for example
-There is a single market, but there is stiff competition within it. That's good.

Plus Europe will never become Unified like the United States, (We don't want to) i think it is a bit naive to believe in it. Too many cultural, language, ethnic and historical differences have been beetween the countries, and still are. Plus i dont think that majority of us Europeans would like any more unified Europe (european parliament does not really exert much influence on Goverments, They do! it has authority but rarely uses it). Constitution was rejected recently as well.

European Union is not doing as well as some people might think. Wrong. It's quite the opposite really!

 

 



highwaystar101 on 10 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
GamingChartzFTW said:

Indeed. That is what the EU project is all about. Peace, Cooperation Stability and Freedom

EU Motto: "United in Diversity"

 

"United in Diversity" seriously?

That doesn't sound like a principle that can sustain a government long term.

Sounds like a great princple to me. We are united in diversity, we are not fans of xenophobia... unless you read the Daily mail or Daily Express.

 



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Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
SciFiBoy said:
mrstickball said:
SciFi, you want to give an example of history that follows your description there?

 

why should i? mafoo didnt?

but as you asked, i was thinking of the US, you have a huge military but charge you poorest civilians for healthcare, my point is, people in glass houses should not throw stones


Our poorest civilians do get healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

 



highwaystar101 on 10 April 2009

The CIA seem to believe that the European economy is stronger than the USAs.

Country GDP (millions of USD)
European Union 18,850,000
United States 14,330,000

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2195.html



Kasz216 on 10 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Why do republican Americans get defensive whenever Europeans talk about themselves. Are they insecure that we are a more powerful economy or do they not like our liberal take on things?

It's not a more powerful economy.

It's a bigger one but the lack of focus makes it weaker.

It's like having the worlds strongest man fight an MMA fighter.  The MMA fighter despite having less power would kick the strongman's ass because the MMA fighter has more control.

I mean even Samuel will attest to that.

Power is more then pure numbers... it's the ability to get things done with those numbers.

 



SciFiBoy on 10 April 2009

dont read all my posts then, just pick the one before the one where i give figures, a BBC documentary i saw said that 13,000 people died in the US last year becuase they couldnt afford healthcare

FROM YOUR LINK ON WIKIPEDIA:

Medicaid is the United States health program for eligible individuals and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the states and federal government, and is managed by the states.[1] Among the groups of people served by Medicaid are eligible low-income parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Being poor, or even very poor, does not necessarily qualify an individual for Medicaid.[2] It is estimated that approximately 60 percent of poor Americans are not covered by Medicaid.[3] Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in the US. Because of the aging population, the fastest growing aspect of Medicaid is nursing home coverage.



Lolcislaw on 10 April 2009
GamingChartzFTW said:
Lolcislaw said:
Wow, the problem is that European Union is not working as a single economy, this organisation obviously ties those economies yet there are so many differences beetween nations states no once could consider EU as a single economy.

To name a few (cause its alte):

-Euro is only a currency in 16 nation states More nations soon to come. Theoretically, most Eeastern Economies arent capable yet of entering the Euro Zone. And some countries still oppose it.
-There is a huge economic difference beetween states from Former Eastern Bloc (Poland , Hungary, Latvia) and those from the "old" Europe; France, UK or Germany That is the current situation, yes? This will continue for Decades, I know quite the differences beetwen Poland and UK for example, and catching the standard of Living in the West will take loooong time.
All those countries benefit differently from common agricultural policy for example
-There is a single market, but there is stiff competition within it. That's good , yes it is but this adds to my thesis that you cannot count EU as a single eocnomy.

Plus Europe will never become Unified like the United States, (We don't want to) And thats good i think it is a bit naive to believe in it. Too many cultural, language, ethnic and historical differences have been beetween the countries, and still are. Plus i dont think that majority of us Europeans would like any more unified Europe (european parliament does not really exert much influence on Goverments, They do! They really dont, there biggest task recently was to get the new members to adjust to european law (which is good). But they do not tend to alter or influence the laws passed in Member states, mainly because it is a place for debate not for decision making. it has authority but rarely uses it). Constitution was rejected recently as well.

European Union is not doing as well as some people might think. Wrong. It's quite the opposite! Well looking at the economies of most nation states, one can say that its not preventing UK or other countries from suffering within the depression. Also decision making process within it is slow and beauracritised. Im not an EuroSceptic but EU needs a reform.

 

 

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