Stop moaning about the Wii version, it sold 20k first week, the PS3 sold 600k first week

They also want more than 6 months to develop it

Anyway, all I care about is do they have the chelsea licence or not?

I just bought the Wii version (hasn't been out long) and its awesome. I think a completly differrent team works on it, and thats why its not announced yet

You DO know the football season is almost over, right?  

Not being able to sell a football game on Wii is purely and solely a marketing issue. Or did PES suddenly change into a extremely mature hardcore game when I wasn't paying attention? Releasing it 6 months after the other games and when the competitions are almost finished doesn't really help in marketing it.

Quite the opposite, football is reaching fever pitch now with Champions league semi finals, the league drawing to a close, this is the most exciting part of the year for football fans. The PS2 version of PES 2009 outsold the Wii version, the Wii version only sold 16k second week, and on PS3 is sold 12k this week. They put effort into making a proper Wii version, but people aren't buying it. There is not point in just giving yourself 6 or so months to put another one on the shelf

PES2008

PS3:1.73M
PS2:3.41M
x360:1.2M
PSP:0.84M
Wii:0.89M
DS:0.09M

PES2009

PS3:1.91M
PS2:1.87M
x360:0.90M
PSP:0.53M
Wii:0.02M

I guess PES games are a Playstation thing. You know there are people that will buy a PS3/PS2 just to play PES. Only. I know many. And i guess there are a lot more.

May I point out that last year, released in March, PES 2008 Wii sold 100k (about 64k without Japan) opening week, and 900k overall.

This year, it sold 20k first week on its release, on pretty much the same day!

Basically the Wii version only just kept up with the PSP version on 08 (outsold it by 50k with the PSP version opening to 130k), this year the PSP version only sold 20k in EU + US, but was bailed out by 100k in Japan, it has sold 530k, so I would not expect much better from the Wii

Basically, if you play a lot of PES, you won't ever be able to play FIFA, even the new ones that have awesome graphics and much improved gameplay.

The main reason being that goals still seem arbitrary in FIFA. You have more control over the shot, but unfortunately since they try to reward shots with the right amount of power it ends up meaning that stuff way outside the penalty box goes in all the time, often missing the goalie by a foot. While that's sometimes true in real life as well, the problem is, shots that almost randomly go by the goalie don't lead to good gameplay. It leads to a lot of long range goals that all look the same, and don't really depend upon the play before the shot was taken.

PES on the other hand is all about the setup, whether it be a cross that catches the defense in a bad position, or a cut-through pass that takes the goalie out of the equation altogether. 98% of the time you feel like you actually earned the goal, and that makes it incredibly satisfying as a competitive game, because the person losing knows they got beat that time and the person winning knows that even if they got a little lucky, they had to actually think through the process of scoring the goal, and not just hit the shot button a lot from inside midfield.

The trade off is that you don't have much control over your shots in PES. That last moment all comes down to the little polygonal men and their mad skills -- the shot is nothing, it's all about the setup.

Once you get used to the strategic flow of PES, FIFA just doesn't feel right.

It's probably true going in the other direction as well.

Yes, but within 6 weeks your game is outdated...

And I think it's dumb to put effort in a Wii game if you aren't even trying to sell it. Especially since the series is down incredibly and again it wouldn't be a hard sell on Wii and PES needs to sell to the casual part of the PS2 audience as well.

 I have always had PES untill this year and ive adapted to FIFA just fine my only problem and i agree with you, the shooting isnt right.

I think they should have delayed the recent Wii version and called it 2010... would have made more sense.

releasing with the other versions would have helped sales immensely, it's pretty obvious for games that sell the most in the early weeks that if a version is released later it won't open high, and will still get similar legs, so missing out on a huge chunk of sales.

Had they delayed PES 09 on Wii (and made it into 2010) then it would have had slightly better sales... and the 2011 version might then have a chance at catching up with the other versions.