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mrstickball on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:

 

As an agnostic, I start on the presumtion that I don't know, and I don't know if I can know. I don't know is it's impossible to know, it might be possible...

As for atheism, they start on no presumtions either. When I was a little kid an an atheist, this was my line of logic: I don't see a god, therefore I do not believe in a god. Believers seem crazy, therefore I do not want to be a part of their delusion.

Not saying it's a delusion, but for the majority of believers, it seems to be a delusion.

Read my argument concerning the definitions of atheism. Call it what you want, but both theism and atheism start with presumptions, but are in diametrical opposition to eachother on what the belief is. Agnosticism, by definition, has no presumptions.

Like bringing up extreme examples huh? The bible says you can stone you kids to death. Don't even get me started on leviticus...

Good thing Christians don't believe that the laws of Leviticus have 100% relevance for life after Christ. Christ taught us not to judge the sinner in that kind of way anymore...Look at the example of Christ & the woman caught in adultery. That is our current rule of practice for sin.

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I could also point to Christian hospitals in America that have saved millions of lives due to their values, as an offset against those that are foolish enough not to let doctors help their kids.

What does this have to do with the argument? 

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You said that the belief in god causes harm, and is unneccesary. I was merely pointing to the fact that it also helps a lot of people as well. We can give arguments for and against the death that religion and atheism has caused, but it may be better to try to talk about both attempting to out-do one another in charity towards others.

 



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Kasz216 on 07 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
The Fury said:
highwaystar101 said:
Well, I certainly don't believe in a god or gods, so I am not offended by it. Every time I walk down the main street in my city lately it seems that I get lambasted by three or four groups of people with an amplifier and mic telling me I will go to hell if I don't accept Jesus. I hate it when people say that to me or in general, they don't know me. This is a far less offensive method than that IMO.

I'm all for it.

Do you not see it as bad as them though? atheists are pushing their view onto others, just like the preachers in the street. I have a religious friend to also hates those people, mainly because he doesn't like the whole pushing religion on people but for them to come to accept their faith on their own.

I don't see it as intrusive to be honest, there is a difference. I agree it is the same basic principle as the guy in the street, but if the church started a bus campaign it would bother me because it is not some guy screaming in my ear.

So... your ok with an atheist bus campaign but not ok with a religious one. Isn't that hypocritic?

 

Read the post next time.

 

I am OK with a religious poster, but when some guy comes up to me in the street screaming that I will go to hell for not accepting Jesus I find that offesnsive.

I would feel offended if an atheist came up to me in the street and started screaming at me too.

Bottom line - It's OK to advertise, but please don't go out your way to scream in my face, because I wont want to play nice.

I did read the post.  Read what you wrote.

"I agree it is the same basic principle as the guy in the street, but if the church started a bus campaign it would bother me because it is not some guy screaming in my ear."

You said that if a church started a bus campaign it would bother you.

 

 



WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009

 

2. I disagree, on the internet we should all speak our mind.

3. I don't push my beliefs, I just put them out there for people to reflect on. I don't think I know better either.

 

 

Lol i really wish i could answer the post u put up for Mrstickball, but ill stick to this one

2. You can absolutelly speak you mind.... but dont bash the beliefs of others by doing so
your direct quote ex:  "...prayer is useless any way you look at it...."

3. Wasnt even directed at you.... this was for the ad....

 

You can answer anything you want.

I still think prayer is useless. It's just a formalized version of desire.

 



highwaystar101 on 07 April 2009

Oh it was a typo, sorry Kasz, my mistake.



Kasz216 on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
It's crazy that a group of people that don't believe in something try so hard to spread their message of non-belief.

If God doesn't exist, then wouldn't it be prudent not to worry about 'spreading the message'? It's not like a belief in God actually hurts anyone, or anything, or is detrimental to ones health.

It's not crazy, realists just don't like seeing people in a state of what seems like delusion. Don't stereotype all atheists as realists though, many many atheists have delusional ideas just as much as religious people.

If God doesn't exist, then whatever you want to do is your own choice. If spreading atheism is what one wants to do, then that's their choice.

Now, where do you get this idea that belief in god doesn't hurt anyone, anything, or isn't detrimental to health?

The idea of God does do harm. If you deny that you're delusional. Some people think God's on their side, thus causing them to do horrible things and feel good about themselves. I'm not saying all religious people are like this, but some are, and that's the problem, it DOES do harm.

Also, what kind of health? Mental health? Let's not even go there...

Physical health? Haven't you heard of all the cases of people who are harmed by religious beliefs that are centered around god? Go do a google search. Better yet, look here: http://whatstheharm.net/

 

 

so.... what you are saying is that people that mass murder and say that god told them to is your example of how the believe in god hurts our sosciety? ever heard of schizophrenia.... it wouldnt matter if the believe in god was there for that... they could just as well say that the "voises" told them to do it....

 

 

 

But the idea of god makes people more likely to think the voices are valid.

But I'm not only talking about people who are actually crazy and hear voices. I'm talking about perfectly sane people who think god answered their prayers when they just got lucky or waited long enough, and things of that nature.

I don't really have a problem with the idea of god when someones idea of god isn't bullshit, but when someone's idea of god involves prayer, faith, or worship, it does harm by degrading their logic.

Didn't you just get all of your posts deleted because you were afraid your friends were going to find out about these very intolerant views?

 



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WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009
mrstickball said:

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You said that the belief in god causes harm, and is unneccesary. I was merely pointing to the fact that it also helps a lot of people as well. We can give arguments for and against the death that religion and atheism has caused, but it may be better to try to talk about both attempting to out-do one another in charity towards others.

 

I agree.

 



antfromtashkent on 07 April 2009
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:

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You said that the belief in god causes harm, and is unneccesary. I was merely pointing to the fact that it also helps a lot of people as well. We can give arguments for and against the death that religion and atheism has caused, but it may be better to try to talk about both attempting to out-do one another in charity towards others.

 

I agree.

 

im going to agree as well and end this (as far as im conserned nyways)  :)

 



WessleWoggle on 07 April 2009
Kasz216 said:
WessleWoggle said:
antfromtashkent said:
WessleWoggle said:
mrstickball said:
It's crazy that a group of people that don't believe in something try so hard to spread their message of non-belief.

If God doesn't exist, then wouldn't it be prudent not to worry about 'spreading the message'? It's not like a belief in God actually hurts anyone, or anything, or is detrimental to ones health.

It's not crazy, realists just don't like seeing people in a state of what seems like delusion. Don't stereotype all atheists as realists though, many many atheists have delusional ideas just as much as religious people.

If God doesn't exist, then whatever you want to do is your own choice. If spreading atheism is what one wants to do, then that's their choice.

Now, where do you get this idea that belief in god doesn't hurt anyone, anything, or isn't detrimental to health?

The idea of God does do harm. If you deny that you're delusional. Some people think God's on their side, thus causing them to do horrible things and feel good about themselves. I'm not saying all religious people are like this, but some are, and that's the problem, it DOES do harm.

Also, what kind of health? Mental health? Let's not even go there...

Physical health? Haven't you heard of all the cases of people who are harmed by religious beliefs that are centered around god? Go do a google search. Better yet, look here: http://whatstheharm.net/

 

 

so.... what you are saying is that people that mass murder and say that god told them to is your example of how the believe in god hurts our sosciety? ever heard of schizophrenia.... it wouldnt matter if the believe in god was there for that... they could just as well say that the "voises" told them to do it....

 

 

 But the idea of god makes people more likely to think the voices are valid.

But I'm not only talking about people who are actually crazy and hear voices. I'm talking about perfectly sane people who think god answered their prayers when they just got lucky or waited long enough, and things of that nature.

I don't really have a problem with the idea of god when someones idea of god isn't bullshit, but when someone's idea of god involves prayer, faith, or worship, it does harm by degrading their logic.

Didn't you just get all of your posts deleted because you were afraid your friends were going to find out about these very intolerant views?

 

 

It was actually for sexual stuff not intolerant stuff... Sexual stories I didn't need my friends hearing.



Neptune on 07 April 2009

Wow they're hypocrites by saying this. They're saying theres no God so enjoy life, but they're spending their time trying to convince people theres no God.

What I'm trying to say is they should just stop worrying and enjoy life. Instead they're spending their resources trying to convert people to atheism. Just leave it alone, if you don't like God, fine, but leave the people who do alone.



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mrs.nordlead on 07 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:
mrs.nordlead said:


if God is not real and does not exist then i have nothing to loses...if however He is real and does exist(and i am talking about Jesus Christ, not just some random god)then unfortunately some of you would have a lot to lose. i heard someone pose this question once..."do you know everything there is to know" no "do you know half of everything there is to know" no "well lets just say that you know half of everything there is to know, is it possible that God exists in the half that you dont know".....just something to think about

 

I believe that what you are refering to in this post is pascals wager, am I right?

If so I've always seen Pascals wager as a wierd arguement. It seems to me that if (theoretically) god* and Heaven was proven it would be foolish to place a bet on a specific god as your chances of backing the right one would be millions to one. Therefore it would be a more wise decision to just live life well, not back a single god and hope your high moral lifestyle would be enough to get into whichever heaven exists.

I dunno though...

* but it is not possible to determine which god

honestly i have never heard of pascals wager so i couldnt say. as for picking one god over another, i guess it would be up to you. i know however from personal experience with my relationship with Jesus Christ, that he is real. if in fact He did/does exist(which there is so much evidence to prove that he did) he was either a lier, lunatic, or He is who he said He is. if he is either of the first two things then it discredits all of His teachings. if however He is who He says He is, then he is in fact the only true God. he does not require a "high moral lifestyle to get into heaven". he requires a personal relationship with him and he extends grace and mercy. you cant get to heaven through good works, only through a relationship with Jesus Christ. weather you chose to accept it or not or believe that Jesus existed or not is a choice you have to make for yourself.