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As an agnostic, I start on the presumtion that I don't know, and I don't know if I can know. I don't know is it's impossible to know, it might be possible...
As for atheism, they start on no presumtions either. When I was a little kid an an atheist, this was my line of logic: I don't see a god, therefore I do not believe in a god. Believers seem crazy, therefore I do not want to be a part of their delusion.
Not saying it's a delusion, but for the majority of believers, it seems to be a delusion.
Read my argument concerning the definitions of atheism. Call it what you want, but both theism and atheism start with presumptions, but are in diametrical opposition to eachother on what the belief is. Agnosticism, by definition, has no presumptions.
Like bringing up extreme examples huh? The bible says you can stone you kids to death. Don't even get me started on leviticus...
Good thing Christians don't believe that the laws of Leviticus have 100% relevance for life after Christ. Christ taught us not to judge the sinner in that kind of way anymore...Look at the example of Christ & the woman caught in adultery. That is our current rule of practice for sin.
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I could also point to Christian hospitals in America that have saved millions of lives due to their values, as an offset against those that are foolish enough not to let doctors help their kids.
What does this have to do with the argument?
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You said that the belief in god causes harm, and is unneccesary. I was merely pointing to the fact that it also helps a lot of people as well. We can give arguments for and against the death that religion and atheism has caused, but it may be better to try to talk about both attempting to out-do one another in charity towards others.
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