The PS3 has a bunch of smaller, niche games that'll keep it afloat.

      It's funny how there is all this talk about how this gen is going to be the longest one since Atari 2600 days with no new consoles coming out til at least 2012, and then someone says "oh, the PS3 is going to have a snowball effect late this year" and all of a sudden everybody rushes on to say, "Oh, it's much too late in the gen for the PS3 to experience a snow ball effect."

     I don't think Valkyrie Chronicles took 18 to 24 months to develop (as far as programming time goes). 

Everybody didn't rush out to say anything. I said that. I alone said that to jo21. Go back up and read how no one but myself responded to that. Got any other half baked attempts at an argument hot shot? You're currently failing at least three threads all involving the same topic matter.

Give me links that prove Valkyria Chronicles took less than 18 months to make. It is a high profile, well developed, gorgeousely rendered title that looks like a lot of love and attention went into it. Normally titles along those lines have a development cycle at least 18 months long. It takes Tiburon 12 months to update a roster and make minor enhancements to Madden. It doesn't seem likely VC took less than 18 months to create.

It looks like it took 3 years to develop because it started development on 360 then was shifted to PS3.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/04/valkyrie_chronicles_developed_for_xbox_360_then_switched_to_ps3-2.html

And, actually, I'm not losing at anything.  I guess I might be losing in the court of public opinion because there seem to be a lot of people saying its impossible for any game to improve PS3 sales in any region.  However, until the game(s) has(ve) been released and its (their) effect is known there's no way for either side to win the argument.

Hmmm...so it would seem that even taking out the months put into 360 development, which would be entirely salvageable to it's eventual PS3 release, you were entirely wrong in your earlier statements saying VC took less than 18 months to make. You have made many bold statements such as this all throughout this thread that have been proven wrong. You just have this amazing ability to continuously talk out of your ass and create statements that can be proven wrong time and time again, and you also present many of your baseless assumptions as facts, when they are anything but.

No one disagrees that the three aformentioned games for PS3 are going to create sales spikes and improve it's general situation in Japan. They are merely pointing out that the 360 has always been in a losing battle with the PS3, but that hasn't stopped it from getting "strong japanese support"( I use this term loosely, as I don't see the support as being strong at all), so why would it now?

I also presented the point that the PS3 only looks like a gem in direct comparison to the only platform performing worse than it, but you are looking at it entirely from the perspective of a PS3 owner concerned with where the PS3 fits. If you were to look at this from the perspective of Japan as a whole, you would wonder why the Wii, which has more sales than both the PS3 and 360 combined, isn't gobbling up all the Japanese support and leaving both consoles in the dust.

You might want to check out those weekly sales charts and realize that on most weeks, the 360 is the ONLY platform the PS3 can beat. There are three platforms performing significantly better than the PS3 is. Nope, I'm sorry. There's four. The PS2 is selling more software than the PS3 is in Japan too. To measure the success and viability of the PS3 in Japan against the worst selling console is insane. You should be worrying about it's viability in comparison to those ahead of it, because it's those platforms that will be taking away the support. The battle of the PS3 and 360 is negligent, because no matter the sales of either in Japan, most third parties are better off making their games multiplatform anyways.

IMHO i dont think these games will move as much hardware as you guys think. Sure the software sales will be good but the most die hard fans already bought a ps3 for gt5 prologue and just becasue they wanted one.

I think they will be a lot like Killzone and Gears 2. Sell tons of software but only modestly increase hardware sales.

@ Onyx

He said it took 18-24 months. Not less than 18.

You might want to look again.

The people who are disagreeing with you are far more right than you are though as they never made the original claim without any relative substantial evidence.

      So, you are expecting that this gen's Final Fantasy XIII and Gran Turismo 5 will sell significantly less copies in Japan than versions on earlier consoles?  If so, what evidence are you basing that claim on?