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Tyrannical on 03 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:

 

I hear this, and it makes me sad that people view the world this way.

You keep saying “his people”. Guess what, the millions of Jews he killed were “his people” too. They were people he was elected to protect.

It's like if Obama all the sudden started extinguishing all the Blacks in the US, and you say he is just trying to help Americans.

German Jews were just as much Germans as anyone else.

 

In the Nazi's point of view...

Jews were not German, they were Jews. The concept of German Jew made as much sense as caucasian negro. So the Jews were not "his" people. The Nazis had been trying to get the Jews to leave Germany since the 30's



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

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highwaystar101 on 03 April 2009
BeTa77 said:
Well hitler killed millions of jewish people... Osama only did 9/11

 

If you go on the FBIs top ten most wanted Bin Ladens not actully listed for 9/11 at all.  He is listed for some crime in the 90's where he let off a bomb.



rocketpig on 03 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:

 

Yes what he did was wrong but overall he was trying to create the greatest nation in the world for his people. His intentions were good but his actions were plain evil. Massive genocide is pretty damn cruel, but it is still happening today in many counties. It is wrong but unlike the armies trying to take over other countries for their own personal gain, Hitler was trying to make his country safer and more stable for his citizens. (Note: You seriously need to watch some of the documentaries on this..)

 

I hear this, and it makes me sad that people view the world this way.

You keep saying “his people”. Guess what, the millions of Jews he killed were “his people” too. They were people he was elected to protect.

It's like if Obama all the sudden started extinguishing all the Blacks in the US, and you say he is just trying to help Americans.

German Jews were just as much Germans as anyone else.

That doesn't make any sense. Hitler had a sense of Nationalism to himself, whether for right or wrong. Drawing your piss-poor allusions is lacking in both sense and history. The "Jews" were not a part of his country, nor were they a part of his idea. On top of that, they were the very evil that caused the despair on Germany for nearly 20 years. He (and the German people) blamed their problems on all of them because they, themselves, were put into a state of despair.

My point?

Don't be an ignorant fuck.

It's easy to blame Hitler. Guess who caused that to happen? The rest of the western world. Get the fuck over it.

 




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GamingChartzFTW on 03 April 2009
Naraku_Diabolos said:
halogamer1989 said:
Hitler for history, Osama for future possibilities.

This sums up my answer as well. Hitler went mad for the lust of power...and yet it's been said (this is what I saw on the History Channel) that the "Arian race" he was after was in fact the lost people of Atlantis. Because of that search for the Arians, Hitler may have been searching for the Fountain of Youth. Please don't get me wrong, but it's what I saw on the History Channel one time many years ago...

Bin Laden, though, needs to be shot with a gun for each person that was killed, or better yet...being cut up with a knife, sprayed with a fine mist of gasoline and have a match thrown at him.

 

*face palm*

 

Please stop watching history channel

 



Kasz216 on 03 April 2009
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:

 

Yes what he did was wrong but overall he was trying to create the greatest nation in the world for his people. His intentions were good but his actions were plain evil. Massive genocide is pretty damn cruel, but it is still happening today in many counties. It is wrong but unlike the armies trying to take over other countries for their own personal gain, Hitler was trying to make his country safer and more stable for his citizens. (Note: You seriously need to watch some of the documentaries on this..)

 

I hear this, and it makes me sad that people view the world this way.

You keep saying “his people”. Guess what, the millions of Jews he killed were “his people” too. They were people he was elected to protect.

It's like if Obama all the sudden started extinguishing all the Blacks in the US, and you say he is just trying to help Americans.

German Jews were just as much Germans as anyone else.

That doesn't make any sense. Hitler had a sense of Nationalism to himself, whether for right or wrong. Drawing your piss-poor allusions is lacking in both sense and history. The "Jews" were not a part of his country, nor were they a part of his idea. On top of that, they were the very evil that caused the despair on Germany for nearly 20 years. He (and the German people) blamed their problems on all of them because they, themselves, were put into a state of despair.

My point?

Don't be an ignorant fuck.

It's easy to blame Hitler. Guess who caused that to happen? The rest of the western world. Get the fuck over it.

 

It is true the allied high command did know a lot about the Holocaust and refused to divert bombing missions to help the jews.

Hell they didn't even make it a priority to capture camps since they used the infinitly retarded "broad front" strategy so no country would get offended about the others "Taking all the glory."

Eisenhower, FDR and Churchill all do have some blood on their hands... and the leader of Canada at the time.  Whatever his name was.

The canadians wanted a push but the general in place was probably a little too weak willed to do it.  Afterwords, there was another american general who wanted to push who could have got it done but they were afraid it would offend the french and the canadians who's push was turned down.



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TheRealMafoo on 03 April 2009
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:

 

Yes what he did was wrong but overall he was trying to create the greatest nation in the world for his people. His intentions were good but his actions were plain evil. Massive genocide is pretty damn cruel, but it is still happening today in many counties. It is wrong but unlike the armies trying to take over other countries for their own personal gain, Hitler was trying to make his country safer and more stable for his citizens. (Note: You seriously need to watch some of the documentaries on this..)

 

I hear this, and it makes me sad that people view the world this way.

You keep saying “his people”. Guess what, the millions of Jews he killed were “his people” too. They were people he was elected to protect.

It's like if Obama all the sudden started extinguishing all the Blacks in the US, and you say he is just trying to help Americans.

German Jews were just as much Germans as anyone else.

That doesn't make any sense. Hitler had a sense of Nationalism to himself, whether for right or wrong. Drawing your piss-poor allusions is lacking in both sense and history. The "Jews" were not a part of his country, nor were they a part of his idea. On top of that, they were the very evil that caused the despair on Germany for nearly 20 years. He (and the German people) blamed their problems on all of them because they, themselves, were put into a state of despair.

My point?

Don't be an ignorant fuck.

It's easy to blame Hitler. Guess who caused that to happen? The rest of the western world. Get the fuck over it.

 

So half of my family doesn't exists because of this man, and you want me to “get the fuck over it”?

My family was just as much german as everyone else in that country, and if you don't like it, get the fuck over it.

Calling my family “evil” is as small minded as anything I have heard on this site. If that's truly your view, you're a pathetic excuse of a man.

 



kirby007 on 03 April 2009
RolStoppable said:
The holocaust gets mentioned a lot, but what about Hitler's other crazy ideas like "Herrenrasse" and "Hitlerjugend"? The latter is for the most part responsible for the strict youth protection laws in Germany which among other things also prevent some videogames from being released there. That's also evil.

On a sidenote, I am surprised that my name was only brought up by two people in this thread and more surprisingly, kirby007 wasn't one of them.

you are just lame

 



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Tyrannical on 03 April 2009
Kasz216 said:

It is true the allied high command did know a lot about the Holocaust and refused to divert bombing missions to help the jews.

 

 What would a bombing mission do? Bomb the camp where the Jews are? Bomb the supplies coming into the camps?



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

rocketpig on 03 April 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:

 

Yes what he did was wrong but overall he was trying to create the greatest nation in the world for his people. His intentions were good but his actions were plain evil. Massive genocide is pretty damn cruel, but it is still happening today in many counties. It is wrong but unlike the armies trying to take over other countries for their own personal gain, Hitler was trying to make his country safer and more stable for his citizens. (Note: You seriously need to watch some of the documentaries on this..)

 

I hear this, and it makes me sad that people view the world this way.

You keep saying “his people”. Guess what, the millions of Jews he killed were “his people” too. They were people he was elected to protect.

It's like if Obama all the sudden started extinguishing all the Blacks in the US, and you say he is just trying to help Americans.

German Jews were just as much Germans as anyone else.

That doesn't make any sense. Hitler had a sense of Nationalism to himself, whether for right or wrong. Drawing your piss-poor allusions is lacking in both sense and history. The "Jews" were not a part of his country, nor were they a part of his idea. On top of that, they were the very evil that caused the despair on Germany for nearly 20 years. He (and the German people) blamed their problems on all of them because they, themselves, were put into a state of despair.

My point?

Don't be an ignorant fuck.

It's easy to blame Hitler. Guess who caused that to happen? The rest of the western world. Get the fuck over it.

 

So half of my family doesn't exists because of this man, and you want me to “get the fuck over it”?

My family was just as much german as everyone else in that country, and if you don't like it, get the fuck over it.

Calling my family “evil” is as small minded as anything I have heard on this site. If that's truly your view, you're a pathetic excuse of a man.

Who did I call evil? The western world? Or are you talking about the "evil" Jews that I mentioned sarcastically as the cause of Germany's problems?

 




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TheRealMafoo on 03 April 2009
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
ssj12 said:

 

Yes what he did was wrong but overall he was trying to create the greatest nation in the world for his people. His intentions were good but his actions were plain evil. Massive genocide is pretty damn cruel, but it is still happening today in many counties. It is wrong but unlike the armies trying to take over other countries for their own personal gain, Hitler was trying to make his country safer and more stable for his citizens. (Note: You seriously need to watch some of the documentaries on this..)

 

I hear this, and it makes me sad that people view the world this way.

You keep saying “his people”. Guess what, the millions of Jews he killed were “his people” too. They were people he was elected to protect.

It's like if Obama all the sudden started extinguishing all the Blacks in the US, and you say he is just trying to help Americans.

German Jews were just as much Germans as anyone else.

That doesn't make any sense. Hitler had a sense of Nationalism to himself, whether for right or wrong. Drawing your piss-poor allusions is lacking in both sense and history. The "Jews" were not a part of his country, nor were they a part of his idea. On top of that, they were the very evil that caused the despair on Germany for nearly 20 years. He (and the German people) blamed their problems on all of them because they, themselves, were put into a state of despair.

My point?

Don't be an ignorant fuck.

It's easy to blame Hitler. Guess who caused that to happen? The rest of the western world. Get the fuck over it.

 

So half of my family doesn't exists because of this man, and you want me to “get the fuck over it”?

My family was just as much german as everyone else in that country, and if you don't like it, get the fuck over it.

Calling my family “evil” is as small minded as anything I have heard on this site. If that's truly your view, you're a pathetic excuse of a man.

Who did I call evil? The western world? Or are you talking about the "evil" Jews that I mentioned sarcastically as the cause of Germany's problems?

 

 

My argument that you responded to, was you can’t say Hitler was a good leader to his country, because the people he killed were members of his country.

When people say he was trying to do “good things for Germany”, he wasn’t. He was trying to do "good things for Arians". All the other Germans he tried to extinguished (he killed more than just Jews).

I thought you were defending is choices by saying the people he killed were ruining his country, and thus he was justified.

If that’s not what you were saying, I apologize.