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endimion on 02 April 2009

lol so some techies out there have still the guts to tell me a mac is the shit when they have almost the same hardware inside than a PC at a higher price tag.... not cool enough to be a mac person my ass... not retarded enough to invest money in something that is overpriced just to have a nice little aluminum box with an apple stamp on the back... now i'm just talking hardware... but about the OS... oh yeah mac OS X is a stable bitch.... but you have about as much access to it than you have on a Vtech game for kids.... come on people get real OS X is made for people that do not know how to use a PC... you turn it on and off and that's it customisation personalisation is close to innexistant... the only reason MS is getting those blue screen is 90% due to a miss handleing from the user... and also by the simple fact that this OS has to be able to run on about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable... which is not the case for OS X... it's easy to make something stable when your overall standard configs can be counted on 2 hands...
anyway beside those 2 if you are a geek and not gaming the best bargain is still a PC and a linux distro...
and for the mainstream give me a break to go on internet check your mails chat on IMs go on facebook google and youtube.... you certainly don't need any product from apple that justify the price... you are still better off with a 600 bucks PC... apple is just a trend for urban metrosexual retards that think it's cool to have one...



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Plaupius on 02 April 2009
endimion said:
lol so some techies out there have still the guts to tell me a mac is the shit when they have almost the same hardware inside than a PC at a higher price tag.... not cool enough to be a mac person my ass... not retarded enough to invest money in something that is overpriced just to have a nice little aluminum box with an apple stamp on the back... now i'm just talking hardware... but about the OS... oh yeah mac OS X is a stable bitch.... but you have about as much access to it than you have on a Vtech game for kids.... come on people get real OS X is made for people that do not know how to use a PC... you turn it on and off and that's it customisation personalisation is close to innexistant... the only reason MS is getting those blue screen is 90% due to a miss handleing from the user... and also by the simple fact that this OS has to be able to run on about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable... which is not the case for OS X... it's easy to make something stable when your overall standard configs can be counted on 2 hands...
anyway beside those 2 if you are a geek and not gaming the best bargain is still a PC and a linux distro...
and for the mainstream give me a break to go on internet check your mails chat on IMs go on facebook google and youtube.... you certainly don't need any product from apple that justify the price... you are still better off with a 600 bucks PC... apple is just a trend for urban metrosexual retards that think it's cool to have one...

Wow, what a load of bitter hatred! But I'm still waiting for the price of a PC that's truly comparable to a standard 15" MacBook Pro. And what the heck are you on about access to the OS? Have you ever even used OS X?

And yes, it is easier to make a stable OS when you have a closed platform, and that's exactly the point with Macs. And FYI, Windows doesn't run on "about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable". I'm not saying OS X does, either, but desktop Windows runs on Intel/AMD processors only. If you want to talk about an OS that's truly running on just about any hardware, then it's Linux, pure and simple.

I just don't get it why it is so hard to accept that people are not buying Macs just for the hardware, they are buying a whole lot more. For me, and I'm not alone in this, the whole package is well and truly worth the price. You know, there's more to the world than hardware specs.



vlad321 on 02 April 2009
Plaupius said:
endimion said:
lol so some techies out there have still the guts to tell me a mac is the shit when they have almost the same hardware inside than a PC at a higher price tag.... not cool enough to be a mac person my ass... not retarded enough to invest money in something that is overpriced just to have a nice little aluminum box with an apple stamp on the back... now i'm just talking hardware... but about the OS... oh yeah mac OS X is a stable bitch.... but you have about as much access to it than you have on a Vtech game for kids.... come on people get real OS X is made for people that do not know how to use a PC... you turn it on and off and that's it customisation personalisation is close to innexistant... the only reason MS is getting those blue screen is 90% due to a miss handleing from the user... and also by the simple fact that this OS has to be able to run on about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable... which is not the case for OS X... it's easy to make something stable when your overall standard configs can be counted on 2 hands...
anyway beside those 2 if you are a geek and not gaming the best bargain is still a PC and a linux distro...
and for the mainstream give me a break to go on internet check your mails chat on IMs go on facebook google and youtube.... you certainly don't need any product from apple that justify the price... you are still better off with a 600 bucks PC... apple is just a trend for urban metrosexual retards that think it's cool to have one...

Wow, what a load of bitter hatred! But I'm still waiting for the price of a PC that's truly comparable to a standard 15" MacBook Pro. And what the heck are you on about access to the OS? Have you ever even used OS X?

And yes, it is easier to make a stable OS when you have a closed platform, and that's exactly the point with Macs. And FYI, Windows doesn't run on "about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable". I'm not saying OS X does, either, but desktop Windows runs on Intel/AMD processors only. If you want to talk about an OS that's truly running on just about any hardware, then it's Linux, pure and simple.

I just don't get it why it is so hard to accept that people are not buying Macs just for the hardware, they are buying a whole lot more. For me, and I'm not alone in this, the whole package is well and truly worth the price. You know, there's more to the world than hardware specs.

 

That's why I run a Windows/Linux machine. When it comes down to it, Macs are stuck between Linux and Windows. Theyhave just about all disadvantages of all, and none of the big benefits of either.



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Plaupius on 02 April 2009
vlad321 said:
Plaupius said:
endimion said:
lol so some techies out there have still the guts to tell me a mac is the shit when they have almost the same hardware inside than a PC at a higher price tag.... not cool enough to be a mac person my ass... not retarded enough to invest money in something that is overpriced just to have a nice little aluminum box with an apple stamp on the back... now i'm just talking hardware... but about the OS... oh yeah mac OS X is a stable bitch.... but you have about as much access to it than you have on a Vtech game for kids.... come on people get real OS X is made for people that do not know how to use a PC... you turn it on and off and that's it customisation personalisation is close to innexistant... the only reason MS is getting those blue screen is 90% due to a miss handleing from the user... and also by the simple fact that this OS has to be able to run on about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable... which is not the case for OS X... it's easy to make something stable when your overall standard configs can be counted on 2 hands...
anyway beside those 2 if you are a geek and not gaming the best bargain is still a PC and a linux distro...
and for the mainstream give me a break to go on internet check your mails chat on IMs go on facebook google and youtube.... you certainly don't need any product from apple that justify the price... you are still better off with a 600 bucks PC... apple is just a trend for urban metrosexual retards that think it's cool to have one...

Wow, what a load of bitter hatred! But I'm still waiting for the price of a PC that's truly comparable to a standard 15" MacBook Pro. And what the heck are you on about access to the OS? Have you ever even used OS X?

And yes, it is easier to make a stable OS when you have a closed platform, and that's exactly the point with Macs. And FYI, Windows doesn't run on "about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable". I'm not saying OS X does, either, but desktop Windows runs on Intel/AMD processors only. If you want to talk about an OS that's truly running on just about any hardware, then it's Linux, pure and simple.

I just don't get it why it is so hard to accept that people are not buying Macs just for the hardware, they are buying a whole lot more. For me, and I'm not alone in this, the whole package is well and truly worth the price. You know, there's more to the world than hardware specs.

 

That's why I run a Windows/Linux machine. When it comes down to it, Macs are stuck between Linux and Windows. Theyhave just about all disadvantages of all, and none of the big benefits of either.

What do you think are the disadvantages of Linux and Windows that OS X has, and what are the big benefits that it is missing?



greenmedic88 on 02 April 2009
averyblund said:
I'm a dual owner. I have a nice gaming rig where I spend about half my gaming time. And I have a Mac for everything else.

For me they both serve a great, separate purpose. Being able to constantly customize my hardware at dirt cheap prices makes my PC a flexible gaming console. On the other hand I hate having to re-install Vista every six months because the registry goes to hell and it takes 5 minutes to boot. My Mac is pretty much the only machine I feel comfortable going online with thanks to the scourge of virus/worms/trojans that seem non-stop.

To me here is a breakdown:

Windows:
+Nice software library
+ flexible hardware
+ decent graphics drivers
- Ho-hum UI
- Registry- the slow progression from fast PC to slow PC to OS re-install and back again
- Poor build quality

Mac:
+ Slick OS that will complile many of my Linux apps
+ Quality, durable HW good support.
+ Security (excluding local hacks, which is a retarded argument)
- Not a full lineup of HW to choose from.
- So-so software variety
- Poor graphics drivers.


To me the biggest thing in the way of being 100% is the gaming situation, which has gotten a little better, and the hardware diversity which still sucks big time. For what they offer I find Macs to be relatively competitive with non homebuilt PCs. But they simply don't offer a model I would be interested. Give me a Mac Mini in a tower, with more slots (better GPU) for the same price and I'm sold. Heck I doubt it would even cost them more to make it since the Mini uses laptop components which are certainly more expensive.

Your pros and cons for each platform pretty much reflect my own opinons. Coincidentally, I use my Mac for web browsing, mail, secure transactions and where malware, adware, virus, security, etc. could be a risk.

I've had zero problems with OSX in those areas as a user since the OSX 10.0 pre-release. And that's with no third party security, anti-virus, etc. software enabled.

I've also been using the same system install without issues for the last three years? I've actually lost count.

The laptop itself is going on six years and still looks brand new (aluminum enclosure, kept clean). I've had one DVD drive issue (in five years), which I was able to repair myself simply by removing and cleaning the drive and connections.

By contrast, in just one year I've done three install/restores on Vista 32 on a factory OEM PC (now runs with perfect record), and four installs for Vista 64 on a custom built PC (over 6 months), which still has its share of network issues even after resolving WiFi card driver problems.

Most of these installs were due to hardware configuration changes (others after cycling through countless system restore/repairs), but these aren't issues you'd have on a Mac.

On the cheap but fast OEM quad, cost cutting was pretty transparent from materials, build, quality of basic components (case, PSU in particular). PSU was replaced along with the VGA card before even being turned on.

While I'll still use the OC rig for gaming, which is what it was built for in addition to being a hardware hobby kit/test bed to play around with, and I'll still use the OEM quad for general purpose computing and productivity, I'll be buying another Mac laptop for all secure web use, reliability, quality and longevity.

Plus all the the quality Windows laptops that I'd buy in terms of quality build, design, form factor, weight (no netbooks; must be able to run Adobe apps, etc.) cost the same as a comparable MacBook or MacBook Pro. Typically at near identical specs.

Gaming on a Mac on the other hand? I just don't see the point even if games did run better on lower specced hardware due to a more efficient OS.

If Apple really wants to push that market, they need to release a moderately priced, mid-range tower with swappable CPUs, VGA cards and the appropriate driver support for a larger variety of cards. Their 6-12 month refresh cycle is simply far too slow to stay competive relative to Windows. But then I've pretty much been saying for years that people who buy Macs with a fair interest in gaming (or more recently, plan to mostly run Windows) are pretty much missing the point of buying a Mac in the first place.

 



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Spoon! on 02 April 2009
StarrGazer said:
nightsurge said:

They need it immediately for a meeting? A meeting I assume they are going to be traveling to without their PC since the PC won't boot and they just need the data?

I know this is slightly cheating since you said "without taking the computer apart", but with PC's it is so easy and doesn't really require full open surgery like a mac to get the hard drive out.

Ok, I pop open the side panel in 10 seconds, disconnect the SATA cable and power cable from the hard drive in 15 more seconds, unscrew any screws holding the hard drive in place in the case in another minute, and insert this hard drive into an external enclosure with USB 2.0 cord. I plug the drive in to my PC at the workstation to quickly confirm that you can read the data off the hard drive with another minute of my time, then hand him the external enclosure w/ his drive in it for his meeting.

So, after 3-5 minutes he has his data and can take it with him in a very convenient way and can access it on any PC he wants.

Since you made this such a dire need issue, I gave the fastest solution. If it was not an immediate issue I would troubleshoot and repair the non-booting issue. You also didn't give any possible reason for why it wouldn't boot, so basically as long as the boot failure was caused by anything BUT the hard drive itself, this would work best (and on a Mac would be very hard since the hard drives are not easily taken out). If the hard drive itself was the issue, it wouldn't matter what method you used because the data would likely be corrupt and lost by then.

EDIT:  I am sure that this is not what you wanted as my response, but since I did say that PCs had easier alternative methods for doing the same tasks, this was another chance to show you just how that might be the case.  PCs are so easy to take parts out and put new parts in, so it really erases the need for TDM to be used in data recovery for the issue you just described.  Thus proving my point I've been making this whole time.

Here's what I did:

This user brought me her laptop that was hanging on bootup.  So I took the unit and connected it to my desktop system with a firewire cable.  I then hit the power button on her laptop and held down the "T" key on the keyboard which brought the machine up in Target Disk mode about 15 seconds later,  it also immediately mounted the drive on my desktop system.  I asked her what file she needed and I navigated to the file on the remotely mounted laptop hard drive.  I asked her what she wanted done with the file,  and she asked me to print a copy and also put a copy on a thumb drive she handed me.   After a total of one minute since she handed me the laptop she walked out with a copy of her file and a copy outputting on the printer near her office.

I then ran a disk diag and repair on her remotely mounted laptop drive which corrected a drive error a few minutes later.  I then clicked off her machine,  disconnected her machine from mine and walked the machine back over to her office and put a note on it telling it her was all fixed.......all without ever opening the unit up.   

If that isn't easier then having to take a machine apart I don't know what is. 

 

 

 

Yes, but what do you do if she brings you a new macbook, or a macbook air?

 

 



greenmedic88 on 02 April 2009

You can use a cross over ethernet cable or a USB to USB bridge.



ameratsu on 02 April 2009

I'd rather not have to choose between PC/mac. Real desktop macs are too expensive, and apple doesn't want to make anything actually upgradeable short of a $2000 power mac. That's why i built a computer that has osx for everyday use (i need quicksilver), and windows for gaming.

thought the ad was silly. i also read that the computer she picked was a pos.



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vlad321 on 03 April 2009
Plaupius said:
vlad321 said:
Plaupius said:
endimion said:
lol so some techies out there have still the guts to tell me a mac is the shit when they have almost the same hardware inside than a PC at a higher price tag.... not cool enough to be a mac person my ass... not retarded enough to invest money in something that is overpriced just to have a nice little aluminum box with an apple stamp on the back... now i'm just talking hardware... but about the OS... oh yeah mac OS X is a stable bitch.... but you have about as much access to it than you have on a Vtech game for kids.... come on people get real OS X is made for people that do not know how to use a PC... you turn it on and off and that's it customisation personalisation is close to innexistant... the only reason MS is getting those blue screen is 90% due to a miss handleing from the user... and also by the simple fact that this OS has to be able to run on about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable... which is not the case for OS X... it's easy to make something stable when your overall standard configs can be counted on 2 hands...
anyway beside those 2 if you are a geek and not gaming the best bargain is still a PC and a linux distro...
and for the mainstream give me a break to go on internet check your mails chat on IMs go on facebook google and youtube.... you certainly don't need any product from apple that justify the price... you are still better off with a 600 bucks PC... apple is just a trend for urban metrosexual retards that think it's cool to have one...

Wow, what a load of bitter hatred! But I'm still waiting for the price of a PC that's truly comparable to a standard 15" MacBook Pro. And what the heck are you on about access to the OS? Have you ever even used OS X?

And yes, it is easier to make a stable OS when you have a closed platform, and that's exactly the point with Macs. And FYI, Windows doesn't run on "about any kind of hardware combination possible and imaginable". I'm not saying OS X does, either, but desktop Windows runs on Intel/AMD processors only. If you want to talk about an OS that's truly running on just about any hardware, then it's Linux, pure and simple.

I just don't get it why it is so hard to accept that people are not buying Macs just for the hardware, they are buying a whole lot more. For me, and I'm not alone in this, the whole package is well and truly worth the price. You know, there's more to the world than hardware specs.

 

That's why I run a Windows/Linux machine. When it comes down to it, Macs are stuck between Linux and Windows. Theyhave just about all disadvantages of all, and none of the big benefits of either.

What do you think are the disadvantages of Linux and Windows that OS X has, and what are the big benefits that it is missing?

Miniature software library in comparison to Windows, and being completely open souced so you can do whatever the hell you want with it (even ruin your hardware if you so wished).

 



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Spoon! on 03 April 2009
greenmedic88 said:
You can use a cross over ethernet cable or a USB to USB bridge.

 

Can you not do the same thing with a PC? And if I had to do this wouldn't this mean that I need two macs? Personally I think my way is easier. I store all my essential data on a seperate partition. If the unthinkable happened and I couldn't boot into XP then I just boot Ubuntu and get my data. It takes no time whatesoever and doesn't require a second machine.