You missed the part about "instantly."

while hilarious, the knife argument is ,.....lol i just can't stop laughing to finish the sentence

@ Mrs Nordlead regarding: "...how about socialized medical(which will send health care down the tubes),..."

I honestly think if Americans personally took a look at the evidence regarding "socialised medicine" in the rest of the developed world rather than listening to the information fed to them by the media they would realise there absolutely is a place for it. It doesn't have to be the same system as the UK or Canada, but an American take on the concept. Surely people aren't so blinded by nationalism that they can't see when other countries are doing some things better than them.

"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most expensive, it consistently underperforms compared to the other countries. One difference between the U.S. and the other countries in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal health insurance coverage."

I'm not claiming this as gospel and this is only a single source but please at least have a look at the evidence. Apparently, there is also a yearly WHO ranking system where America also fairs poorly but i couldn't pin it down right now. I'm not aware of any reputable source that claims American has the best medical care in the world. I'm just curious what American people think when they read claims like this, do they just think the sources are not reputable or think the American situation is so different, or just think that health care is not a basic human right.

I for one, do.

@hsrob there is like a 400 reply thread for the regards of the "necessity" of medical care.
I agree with you, but many people here don't.
The thread is called "question about what Obama just said" by TheRealMafoo

scary stuff in there.

^ Cool thanks, will have a look. It started as a one line reply and ended up going off topic a little :P

Please continue with the 9-12 project thing.

Yeah, I really liked your post though. It was...intelligent. Nice to see that once in a while.

@halogamer
are you for more restrictions and gun control? Your post made it seem like you were. Also, what's cqb? is that like mgs3 cqc?

I am for no restrictions. The right to bear arms should not be infringed at all and if the terrorists or bad guys want to shoot people then we should have the guns to stop them. VA is piss poor for gun rules now. A guy has to be in your house robbing it whithin like 10 feet of you and you can only injure him. That's makes good sense libs Anyway, CQB is Close Quarters Combat.

halogamer1989 said: I am for no restrictions. The right to bear arms should not be infringed at all and if the terrorists or bad guys want to shoot people then we should have the guns to stop them. VA is piss poor for gun rules now. A guy has to be in your house robbing it whithin like 10 feet of you and you can only injure him. That's makes good sense libs Anyway, CQB is Close Quarters Combat.

Ok, so why do we even bother haivng a govenment without restrictions? Conservatives have always sounded more like Anarchists and Liberals to be honest.

vlad321 said: halogamer1989 said: I am for no restrictions. The right to bear arms should not be infringed at all and if the terrorists or bad guys want to shoot people then we should have the guns to stop them. VA is piss poor for gun rules now. A guy has to be in your house robbing it whithin like 10 feet of you and you can only injure him. That's makes good sense libs Anyway, CQB is Close Quarters Combat.   Ok, so why do we even bother haivng a govenment without restrictions? Conservatives have always sounded more like Anarchists and Liberals to be honest.

We do have restrictions on other things but people have forgotten a certain document called the Constitution.  We are in no way anarchists and it will be a cold day in hell when we become liberals.

It seems we have gone off topic, and are now on gun control, so I will throw in my 2c. The Constitution gives us the right to bare arms so we can rise up against an unjust Government. I always hate the argument "No one need an automatic weapon to hunt". We are given the right so we can hunt, we are given the right so we can kill people if need be.

The founding fathers knew the nature of man far better then we do. They knew that if left unchecked, men in power would do unjust things.

So until you change the constitution to say we don't have the right to upraise against an unjust government, I should be afforded any weapon I feel I need.

The founding fathers were half right. Men in power have destroyed our country. Giving us the right to bare arms did nothing to stop them.