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TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
theprof00 said:
haha, that was a nice one mafoo. But it wasn't me making this comparison, it was your side. Are there some states that are like muldova and lithuania? Its your argument to make.

My argument is guns are a means to an end. No one sees a gun and say’s “cool, I can now kill someone”. It’s a tool. There are aspects of this country that increase the murder rate (poverty, poor education, drug trade, etc…). If you removed guns and do not fix these issues, people would murder just as much, they would just find a different tool to accomplish it with.



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TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
theprof00 said:
haha, that was a nice one mafoo. But it wasn't me making this comparison, it was your side. Are there some states that are like muldova and lithuania? Its your argument to make.

My argument is guns are a means to an end. No one sees a gun and say’s “cool, I can now kill someone”. It’s a tool. There are aspects of this country that increase the murder rate (poverty, poor education, drug trade, etc…). If you removed guns and do not fix these issues, people would murder just as much, they would just find a different tool to accomplish it with.

 

To illustrate my point, people who live in the country, almost to a man, own guns. I would say the percentage of gun owners in rural areas is over 90%. The murder rate in these areas is almost zero.

I live in a small town of 10,000. I would guess 90% of them own a gun (hunting is extremely popular in this area). The last murder here was over 4 years ago.

In the inner city areas, the percentage of people who have guns is far less, yet in this country that’s where almost all murders happen.

With those kinds of statistics, it’s imposable to say guns are the reason people kill. If so, more people per capita in rural areas would die, not less. The reasons for murder would have to be a product of other factors.



halogamer1989 on 30 March 2009
Sqrl said:
stof said:

thank's Montana, but don't worry, I got this one.

It's not that I'm offended in the slightest Mrs. L. It's just that you're not stating your beliefs so much as you're linking to a really awful idealogue pundit who talks out his ass. The moment I saw Glen Beck I knew it was going to be pompous douchebagery.

"I believe in Justice"? As opposed to people that don't believe in justice? No, this isn't a declaration that we need to do the right thing... it's a right wing "tough on crime" stance. The same kind of stance that leads to the U.S.'s insanely high prison rates... and crime rates.

There's nothing unifying and universally true about his "Principles". It's just his specific ideology wrapped up in the flag. And you should always be careful of something that needs to wrap itself in the flag, because it's probably pretty damn ugly naked.

Translation:

I'm not offended I just think the things you believe in are pompous douchebagery.

You're assuming that because they say they believe in something that your disagreement with them means you do not.  By that logic anyone who voted against Obama was against "Hope"!  Can you believe the pompous douchebagery of that guy? The nerve to imply that I don't believe in hope?

Words having meaning.  Lack of words have implied meaning.  One is justification for a reaction, the other is justification for requesting clarification.

I didn't vote for Obama but I am for hope and all things rosy.  However, I have a realistic view on it.

Oh and btw for everyone's knowledge, the US =/= Europe so we can do what we want to in terms of our military, guns, politics, and what have you.  Just call if you need saving lol



highwaystar101 on 30 March 2009
halogamer1989 said:

I didn't vote for Obama but I am for hope and all things rosy. However, I have a realistic view on it.

Oh and btw for everyone's knowledge, the US =/= Europe so we can do what we want to in terms of our military, guns, politics, and what have you. Just call if you need saving lol

 

Yea, and you just call Europe if you ever need saving in Iraq and Afghanistan again lol



TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2009
highwaystar101 said:
halogamer1989 said:

I didn't vote for Obama but I am for hope and all things rosy. However, I have a realistic view on it.

Oh and btw for everyone's knowledge, the US =/= Europe so we can do what we want to in terms of our military, guns, politics, and what have you. Just call if you need saving lol

 

Yea, and you just call Europe if you ever need saving in Iraq and Afghanistan again lol

 

Sure, if we ever need a group of people to help us, just so it doesn’t look like the US invading a country, you will be the first ones we call... again ;)



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vlad321 on 30 March 2009
mrs.nordlead said:
vlad321 said:
halogamer1989 said:
vlad321 said:
@Halo
For someone who is so conservative I find it VERY interesting you like Lincoln.

Why because of the rumor that he was a RINO?  He was the 1st Republican president so of course there was some settling going on into what the early base would eventually believe in.  

 

I also like Eisenhower's military finesse, Nixon's early appeal and ways of "sockin' it" to the enemy, Reagan for obvious reasons, and GWB's Christian and no retreat, no surrender attitude.  Anyway, that's just some of my thoughts.

 

 

Just about all conservatives I have met have stuck to the viewpoint that if it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution, then it should not be controlled, none of this "interstate trade" bullshit they are pulling.

Yet, Lincoln has done one of the most unconstituional acts of any president. That's why I'm wondering.

 

@Montana

I hear she is new at this interwebz business, cut her some slack. I remember when I was new to the thing, bad day.

@Mrs.

Maybe instead of being tough on crime it would be better if we focused on the reasons WHY the crime was committed in the first place? IMO, if everyone had that government to back on, they would commit less crimes, and thus we'd all be better for it. I don't mind paying higher taxes if it means less people out there are stealing and killing.

thanks, my husband warned me not to talk politics...next time i will listen to him

i think it would be great to fined out why crimes are being committed, however something would still need to be done because unfortunately us knowing why is not necessarily going to stop them. and then there is a whole other issue with peoples feelings as to why because every expert has their own theory...the thing is, is that you cant pin point one reason that sums up all murders and why they are committed or all rapes and say this is why they occur or all robberies and say that they all take place because of one reason. personally, i think that most crime is do to the brake down of the family and parents not taking interest in raising their children with any kind of moral compass, and every one having their own opinion as to right and wrong and nothing being black and white. if everyone makes their "own truth" and right and wrong is all in the eye of the individual then that allows for all kinds of issues...

 

 

 

So everyone should have the same opinions? Well mrs. I'm sorry but I think my opinions are far far far superior to yours and you should conform to mine, and I should not conform to yours, and you should teach any children my opinions and beliefs not yours. That is, if we are playing this game at all.



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mrs.nordlead on 30 March 2009
vlad321 said:
mrs.nordlead said:
vlad321 said:
halogamer1989 said:
vlad321 said:
@Halo
For someone who is so conservative I find it VERY interesting you like Lincoln.

Why because of the rumor that he was a RINO?  He was the 1st Republican president so of course there was some settling going on into what the early base would eventually believe in.  

 

I also like Eisenhower's military finesse, Nixon's early appeal and ways of "sockin' it" to the enemy, Reagan for obvious reasons, and GWB's Christian and no retreat, no surrender attitude.  Anyway, that's just some of my thoughts.

 

 

Just about all conservatives I have met have stuck to the viewpoint that if it is not explicitly stated in the Constitution, then it should not be controlled, none of this "interstate trade" bullshit they are pulling.

Yet, Lincoln has done one of the most unconstituional acts of any president. That's why I'm wondering.

 

@Montana

I hear she is new at this interwebz business, cut her some slack. I remember when I was new to the thing, bad day.

@Mrs.

Maybe instead of being tough on crime it would be better if we focused on the reasons WHY the crime was committed in the first place? IMO, if everyone had that government to back on, they would commit less crimes, and thus we'd all be better for it. I don't mind paying higher taxes if it means less people out there are stealing and killing.

thanks, my husband warned me not to talk politics...next time i will listen to him

i think it would be great to fined out why crimes are being committed, however something would still need to be done because unfortunately us knowing why is not necessarily going to stop them. and then there is a whole other issue with peoples feelings as to why because every expert has their own theory...the thing is, is that you cant pin point one reason that sums up all murders and why they are committed or all rapes and say this is why they occur or all robberies and say that they all take place because of one reason. personally, i think that most crime is do to the brake down of the family and parents not taking interest in raising their children with any kind of moral compass, and every one having their own opinion as to right and wrong and nothing being black and white. if everyone makes their "own truth" and right and wrong is all in the eye of the individual then that allows for all kinds of issues...

 

 

 

So everyone should have the same opinions? Well mrs. I'm sorry but I think my opinions are far far far superior to yours and you should conform to mine, and I should not conform to yours, and you should teach any children my opinions and beliefs not yours. That is, if we are playing this game at all.

im not going to cram my opinions down anyones throat but, yeah i do think everyone would be better off if they shared my views

 



Sqrl on 30 March 2009
mrs.nordlead said:
vlad321 said:

 

So everyone should have the same opinions? Well mrs. I'm sorry but I think my opinions are far far far superior to yours and you should conform to mine, and I should not conform to yours, and you should teach any children my opinions and beliefs not yours. That is, if we are playing this game at all.

im not going to cram my opinions down anyones throat but, yeah i do think everyone would be better off if they shared my views

 

 

@bold,

If you didn't feel that way you would be morally reprehensible for sharing them. 



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MontanaHatchet on 30 March 2009

If everyone shared my views, Montana would quickly become overcrowded and Chinese food would become the world's most valuable resource.



 

 

Esmoreit on 30 March 2009

I'm not going to quote anyone specifically on this but relating to gun-control and murders in general - yes, if you want to kill someone you'll do it anyway irregardless of the weapon (in fact, I can state with certainty that most murderweapons are objects in proximity to the crime scene.)

The reason why guncontrol is hopefull is that there is a less likely chance of mass-murdering and unintended casualties. I know the recent schoolshootings in Germany and Sweden kinda ruïn this point but on the other hand - without a gun, would Kretschmer managed to make the same amount of victims? Probably not.
With a gun, would the Belgian Dendermonde knife killer make more victims? I believe so...



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