i think this gen is fun it has brought so many new types of things like how good a game can really look and play. This gen also got alot more people into gmaing via multiplayer
i think this gen is fun it has brought so many new types of things like how good a game can really look and play. This gen also got alot more people into gmaing via multiplayer
psrock said:
Thanks to the Wii which you own, the industry is triving. The wii has changed the way we think about gaming and has open gaming to a whole new audience. People who normally wouldnt play games are and enjoying doing so. MS has made the Multiplayer experience something only the PC could before. There is a unique social experience to play with your friends, it's really quite fun. I wont even mention the PS3. You may miss the old generations ( which are mostly available to the new ones) but you can't ignore the fact that in no other time as gaming been so important. Even apple wants a piece of it. You are not happy because that's just you, don't blame the consoles or the new games.
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And here I thought I creating a forum for discussion, not forcing my views on others. Oh well, if you're fine with the way things are just say so, no need to be so defensive.
Hey, i actually agree. While a beat RE5 twice, i found it more of a frustration than fun. I only beat it twice to prove to my brother i could put in the effort. Gears 2 has nothing on perfect dark, and many of my wii games, such as madworld, are disappointing.
I just installed need for speed high stakes, quake 3 arena and age of empires, and damn, these games are amazingly fun.
I wish games concentrated more on gameplay than cinematics and graphics, but what are you going to do? I still loved cod4. Not all hope is lost.
| Onimusha12 said: Now everyone knows I'm an avid Nintendo fanboy and have sought endless reasons to rail against HD gaming, but its quite clear that this generation, no matter how you slice it is a dissapointment in terms of games. I disagree... I mean, don't you remember when games were actually fun and not just efforts we saluted for their ability to deliver an impressive cinematic experience or rise up ever so slightly from the mediocrity surrounding them? I along with many people think they still are fun. More and more we seem to be giving games a free pass on being able to impress us rather than engross us. Pretty much every game is meant to do both of those things. Would you be engrossed by an unimpressive game, or vice-versa? The Wii has become the phenomenal novelty relegated to virtually no serious third party support while being guided by the direction of a Company whose wisdom draws under ever increasing scrutiny, even by fans who so desperately want to believe they in any way know what they're doing outside of cultivating the casual market. Nintendo's chronic habit of tunnel vision market focus while chasing off every viable second party developer leaves many questioning do they have any desire to create a product of multi-demographic appeal. So far they've done this with Wii Sports. Every year we listen to the promises of serious support and a dramatic turn around but all we ever seem to see change is the number of hardware units sold. Games like No More Heroes and Madworld at best leave us hoping they will seed sequels we can call complete games. Ports are nice, but so few are even done right, what's the point? And why does every studio feel the obligation to devote not even one fourth the resources to developing a serious Wii Game that would have been dedicated to developing any PS2/Gamecube/Xbox game last generation? Having last generation graphics is one thing, but not even taking the fullest advantage of those is just insulting, but unfortunately the standard. It seems developers have forgotten how to make games on such a template... Or maybe just don't care. HD gaming is the legacy of last generation's Xbox, even on the PS3... It's primarily gamers who wouldn't be gaming today had the Xbox not lured them back with promises of Spike-TV style violence and hyper masculenity. I think Sony did this with the PS1, promoting more mature games. Guns, guts and glory are the standard of the day and if a game doesn't feature a thick necked male archetype for them to project themselves upon or a sexy scantily clad woman for them to drule over then the game is almost certainly doomed to failure. See Dead Rising, Viva Pinata, Bioshock, Forza 2, LittleBigPlanet, Motorstorm, Left 4 Dead, Uncharted, Crackdown, Ratchet and Clank, Fable, II, etc... Kid ourselves as we like, HD gaming is casual gaming too, genres and franchises made increasingly less focused and less specialized to appeal to the typical cassual college student or skill lacking grade school kid that drives the success of this brand of gaming. Games like MGS4 get away with having cumbersome controls and a muddy sense of game refinement by having breathtaking cinematic direction and presentation. Games like DMC4 get away with being unremakably linnear and uninspired by featuring flashy cinematics, emo character designs (lol) and music. Games like RE5 get away with having criminally bad A.I. and terrible story by boasting beautiful graphics and again, Cinematic direction that leaves the audience in Awe. In the end do we really have any fun playing these or do you we just sollute them for their academic and cinematic achievements as games? I think so, they seem to have lots of playtime from people. Games have been giving us cinematic experiences for ages. Is it possible to even enjoy an HD game anymore without defaulting on Co-Op or Online Play as its backbone? See Bioshock, Viva Pinata, LittleBigPlanet, Dead Rising, etc... What ever happened to game planners creating planned encounters or scenarios in the games, why does every signature HD game have to boast a new and unrefined gameplay experience that tries to let the game formulate its own rhyme and reason from a mess of muddy A.I. Huh? Eitherway, both the Wii and HD gaming are thriving on people who would not be playing video games right now had these two options not existed. Again, PS1. Neither is a viable successor to the PS2 or its brand of gaming. Yes they are. So desperately people try to kid themselves that games like RE5, Halo 3, Killzone 2 and MGS4 are the pinacles of what gaming should be and so desperately people try to kid themselves that games like Red Steel, Madworld and Zack & Wiki are "decent" games. RE5, Halo 3, KZ2, and MGS4 are all great games though. A Nintendo fanboy wouldn't understand I guess. Will gaming ever recover from this slump that doesn't exist. The answer is most likely yes, but alternatively we could see gaming take the path of the movie industry where formulated mediocrity is the standard where only slightly more refined mediocrity ever rises above the masses of easily forgotten movies. I don't think so. Mediocre to bad games have existed since gaming began, it's not something that happened yesterday. Unless Nintendo can rememerge with a new console and recapture more of the market, then its unlikely we'll see any force of standardization as its all Sony can to do play follow the leader. Has Nintendo learned from past mistakes? Do they have a master plan for expanding their market? The answer seems to hint more and more at no yes. Mind you, this is not written out of depression or hopelessness, but an honest look at the gaming industry from a most skeptical viewpoint as I find universally most gamers don't like talking about negative things while kidding themselves whatever they want to believe about gaming to be true. Agree or Dissagree, that's fine, I've grossly over simplified a much more complex situation in my post so its only natural there will be disenting opinions and those who feel these notions too harsh or unreasonable. Hopefully this doesn't degenerate into a big fight, but who knows. Oh boy look what you've gone and done ;). Also, in before Okey Dokey's hit and run trolling (lol), Stof's "Oh god, there goes Onimusha12 again, sigh..." or Ari Gold's trademark: "Nothing on the Wii interests me." ;) |
I do agree with lots of the stuff you said though.

| TheJon said: Hey, i actually agree. While a beat RE5 twice, i found it more of a frustration than fun. I only beat it twice to prove to my brother i could put in the effort. Gears 2 has nothing on perfect dark, and many of my wii games, such as madworld, are disappointing. I just installed need for speed high stakes, quake 3 arena and age of empires, and damn, these games are amazingly fun. I wish games concentrated more on gameplay than cinematics and graphics, but what are you going to do? I still loved cod4. Not all hope is lost. |
I can understand most games this generaion sucking, the low investment in many Wii games garantees mediocrity and the high cost of HD games ensures many shortcomings but when it comes to megalithic projects like MGS4 and RE5, I expect perfection for all the time and resources put into them. At least GTA4 seemed to deliver but ultimately it faded from the interest of gamers in less than six months.
I miss the days of the N64 and PS1 when new ideas and creativity reigned over 3D gaming. Now it seems each generation has been just another excercise in refining and bottlenecking the creative process. But then again, that's just me.
I'm sorry I can't respond, I'm too busy figuring out how to buy and play more ps3 games


| theprof00 said: I'm sorry I can't respond, I'm too busy figuring out how to buy and play more ps3 games |
But you did respond, can't be that busy. ;)
I hate to admit it, but I agree. At least with 80% of what you said. Almost every sequel this gen is inferior, games are shorter, development cycle is longer, there are less games and my favorite genres are dying (RPG, survival horror, hack n` slash, action adventure).
I think the downfall of Japanese developers (Capcom, SE, Tecmo, Konami) is linked with their western oriented game development. A decade ago they made games that were awesome. Now they are so busy trying to make the next Halo or Gears of War that they forgot how to make good games. The "casual" market is a similar problem. I think they are all birdmen.
Satan said:
"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."
Onimusha12 said:
But you did respond, can't be that busy. ;) |
I was dictating as I am now XD


theprof00 said:
I was dictating as I am now XD
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Oh? My misunderstanding ;)