Raping games are worser then killing games cause in a lot of games the killing is justified(war,etc)

There are also a lot more people who are sexually frustrated irl then there are people who want to kill someone without a good reason.
Games like this will only make the people who are sexually frustrated even more frustrated. It's also a lot easier to get away with rape then with murder irl. So, alot of people will be too scared to kill someone. I recently read an article in a newspaper of a guy who raped 400 women...

@Wookaroo: I do have a lot against child porn when it features real children.
As for videogames, i don't see pixelated characters really hurt anyone, or if it wouldn't be so, i'd be the first one supporting Jack Thompson very vocally. It's a little same thing with Dragonball Z comicbook gotten pulled out of store shelf and cencored for it featuring child porn.

Now, i don't mean that the game wouldn't be sick, makers of the game wouldn't be twisted or people who'd get the game wouldn't be menthally unstable when the games sole purpose is to represent raping, but the game itself have very little to do with the weirdos, that really is the problem here. This thing is no different to Manhunt, both are about sick people doing sick stuff.
From psychological perspective it's only about being in denial about the society having sick people in it and wiping the side effects under the rug, so that we can happily pretend that the problem doesn't exist, or pretend that the problem fixes by removing (or maybe even denying) the byproducts.

And, i'm very interested about what niche do you think child porn deserves to be produced? It really doesn't matter whether it's produced for the niche or general population, since it's the same niche that is going to use it anyway as long as it's produced and nobody outside from the niche.

@Samus Aran: Didn't you know that raping is one of the oldest tricks in warfare?

I really can't be bothered to argue , i'm shocked and somewhat disturbed that people are advocating the distribution of interactive rape games . Just don't complain if you or some one close to you is abused by some mentaly ill person who feeds of this kind of material to fuel their sick fantasies , sexual related mental illness is heavily fueld by visual media porn, games like this etc .That's not to say that everyone who buys this will be mentaly ill but it's like when you open the doors to a public building you have no say in who will enter.

Where does America get off!!?

Lol, for some reason I was thinking of America on-rails... which incidentally may have been suggested into my subconscious by the mention of trains. V_V

The human mind is amazing at times, if not then maybe just vaporous.

''come on guys'', that's the spirit,...think, discuss, analyze..has ha ha ha --


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lol @ teh hypocrisy. games like gta and manuhut are much worse.

I never had any plans on playing it. However, child pornography is illegal in the US, and I believe this constitutes that. Tell me though, at what point do we draw a line? Do we allow anything imagineable to become a videogame just because virtual representations don't harm anybody? There is a difference between GTA, Manhunt, etc. and this game which tries to act as a simulation of a criminal act. I've yet to see the game where you play a serial killer trying to simulate real life kills. However rape has been in games past more imbedded into the structure of a game(Killer 7) and nobody bitches or cares about it the same way they don't care about the violence in Manhunt or the sex scenes in God of War.

How far to we take this? Do we allow games to become actual simulations of criminal acts just because we don't want to evwentually draw the line somewhere? How about software like Personal Trainer Cooking for criminals that can explain in detail how to commit crimes like murder, rape, etc., give them options to make shopping lists, explain how to commit these crimes and get away, etc.?

You just seem to be of the opinion that anything can be software/games and just because it can prove harmful in real life situations it is not enough to warrant a ban. We should simply not buy it if it doesn't interest us. However, what if software is made that gets increasingly informative and creates a niche audience only of potential criminals? There comes a point in simulation games where only those vastly interested in a subject will want to partake in the game, and then it becomes dangerous territory in my mind showing potential criminals exactly how to commit crimes through software. I make no exceptions to this either, so you can ban the murder, drug dealing, rape, etc. simulations of the world and I will not take a hypocritical stance on any of them.

Do we allow anything imagineable to become a videogame just because virtual representations don't harm anybody?

Isn't that an important distinction?  If rape itself didn't harm anybody, it wouldn't be illegal--rape is rape (and illegal) because it causes harm.  Imagining a rape, however, doesn't hurt anyone, therefore that kind of fantasizing shouldn't be illegal.

Playing a videogame about rape or murder (like GTA or Manhunt, however you want to justify those titles) doesn't hurt anyone, therefore playing them shouldn't be illegal.

...nobody bitches or cares about it the same way they don't care about the violence in Manhunt or the sex scenes in God of War.

People don't bitch about the kind of violence found in Manhunt?  Of course they do.  People like Jack Thompson want to draw the same kind of line you talk about, they just think it should be in a slightly different place.

The reasoning is the same--they think the violence in GTA will eventually translate into real-world violence.

Do we allow games to become actual simulations of criminal acts just because we don't want to evwentually draw the line somewhere?

Why don't we draw the line here: "simulating a criminal act" (meaning, playing a video game) is legal.  Performing a criminal act, in real life, is illegal.

In the same way we treat reading; reading about a criminal act--even pedophelia (e.g. Lolita, The 120 Days of Sodom)--is legal.  Committing pedophelia is illegal.

There comes a point in simulation games where only those vastly interested in a subject will want to partake in the game, and then it becomes dangerous territory in my mind showing potential criminals exactly how to commit crimes through software.

A scenario that I find more frightening than murderers "learning to murder" by playing video games (though murderers seem to have done just fine even before the invention of the Playstation) is developing a society in which certain forms of speech are restricted even to adults because some others find it offensive or troubling.

The entire point to "freedom of speech" is protecting the hard, disturbing stuff; if it was only about the stuff that everyone's already comfortable with, then freedom of speech would be kind of meaningless.

 THIS. Freedom of speech.

Also, I'm  not entirely sure if this is true because I heard it a few years ago, but I've heard that child porn in drawings is not illegal as long as the drawings don't represent an actual person. It's essentially a victimless crime, and thus is legal in many places including the US.