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vlad321 said:
Ok for all those against evolution and who ask how you can replicate and observe it here's a thought to ponder:

Drug resistant bacteria. Please explain to me how bacteria went from being utterly decimated and annihilated by antibiotics, to taking it in stride without even flinching? Obviously evolution had nothing to do with it and god himself came down and gave his divine protection to the bacteria, right?

 

 1) All the weaker varients were wiped out, leaving only the ones that were always stronger to have a monopoly on victims.  For example, there are 2 groups of dogs living somewhere (for lack of a better place).  One group is short-haired, the other long-haired.  One year the temperature drops, and the short-haired dogs die, and only the long-haired ones are left.

2) Random mutation of a certain strain allowed it an advantage against anitbiotics (and I'm going to assert here that random mutation does not equal evolution).  For instance, a certain bacteria experiences a mutation that disables it ability to produce a substance that counters penicillin, and thus begans producing huge and uncontrolled quantities of this anti-antibiotic.  Now, penicillin can't hurt it.  On the other hand, the bacteria is now producing massive amounts of this stuff and is potentially wasting resources in the event of an absence of penicillin.

 



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rocketpig said:
appolose said:
rocketpig said:
Using that thinking, a huge chunk of astonomy, geology, and a handful of other sciences aren't really "science", either.

 

 Yes, thats right.  That's not really a problem for those fields, though. 

I notice the objection here is that most people seem to think that science is exclusively synonymous with truth

Well, science is definitely not synonymous with truth. It's the quest for truth, not the truth itself.

 

Yeah, yeah, I know :/

I was implying it was the only valid means of obtaining truth.

 



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The_vagabond7 said:

 

 

The only reason it's "not a problem" for those fields is because religious groups aren't angry that they are raining on their parade.

 

Saying geology isn't science is crazy.

1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

 

 

 Well, you can't just say science is all 7 of those definitions simultaneously.  In that case, theology would be science.



Okami

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Evolution has been scientifically proven, even down to the genetic scale. We can prove exactly which chromosomes in a chimpanzee merged together and became which specific chromosome in humans, and how they did it. As a theory it is neither flawed nor weak.

You don't have to fight this to believe in religion.

At this point the theory could be finetuned, but I doubt we'll find anything crazy enough to dispute the entire theory. If we do though, it will be awesome, and just make science better. That's how science rolls.



lol thank god im here. first off im feel sorry for everyone that does not believe in god i feel sorry for you. second there are several different kinds of evolution, there is micro and macro. micro is that animals change in small ways too help them with problems in there enviroment that just need to change a little. macro evolution is a complete load of crap, its the one that says we(human race) change alot in there time on earth.


I DID NOT USE TOO BE A MONKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i believe that they should teach creationism in school, they should offer it along with evolutionism. the students only have too take one of the courses.



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WessleWoggle said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
Ok for all those against evolution and who ask how you can replicate and observe it here's a thought to ponder:

Drug resistant bacteria. Please explain to me how bacteria went from being utterly decimated and annihilated by antibiotics, to taking it in stride without even flinching? Obviously evolution had nothing to do with it and god himself came down and gave his divine protection to the bacteria, right?

 

 1) All the weaker varients were wiped out, leaving only the ones that were always stronger to have a monopoly on victims.  For example, there are 2 groups of dogs living somewhere (for lack of a better place).  One group is short-haired, the other long-haired.  One year the temperature drops, and the short-haired dogs die, and only the long-haired ones are left.

2) Random mutation of a certain strain allowed it an advantage against anitbiotics (and I'm going to assert here that random mutation does not equal evolution).  For instance, a certain bacteria experiences a mutation that disables it ability to produce a substance that counters penicillin, and thus begans producing huge and uncontrolled quantities of this anti-antibiotic.  Now, penicillin can't hurt it.  On the other hand, the bacteria is now producing massive amounts of this stuff and is potentially wasting resources in the event of an absence of penicillin.

 

 

I always thought evolution happened through random mutation that was beneficial and thus made the creature more likely to pass it's genes on to the next generation...

What you described there is evolution.

 

DING DING DING

 



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

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dsister44 said:
lol thank god im here. first off im feel sorry for everyone that does not believe in god i feel sorry for you. second there are several different kinds of evolution, there is micro and macro. micro is that animals change in small ways too help them with problems in there enviroment that just need to change a little. macro evolution is a complete load of crap, its the one that says we(human race) change alot in there time on earth.


I DID NOT USE TOO BE A MONKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i believe that they should teach creationism in school, they should offer it along with evolutionism. the students only have too take one of the courses.

 

Two can play this game.

I'm sorry youa re so ignorant to believe in something as ridiculous as god. I'm sorry you need a crutch like that to keep your miserable life together and to bring sense to it.

Secondly, Macro evolution came from micro evolution,

Thirdly, micro and macro evolution is bullshit you just came up with. It's all evolution.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
WessleWoggle said:
appolose said:
vlad321 said:
Ok for all those against evolution and who ask how you can replicate and observe it here's a thought to ponder:

Drug resistant bacteria. Please explain to me how bacteria went from being utterly decimated and annihilated by antibiotics, to taking it in stride without even flinching? Obviously evolution had nothing to do with it and god himself came down and gave his divine protection to the bacteria, right?

 

 1) All the weaker varients were wiped out, leaving only the ones that were always stronger to have a monopoly on victims.  For example, there are 2 groups of dogs living somewhere (for lack of a better place).  One group is short-haired, the other long-haired.  One year the temperature drops, and the short-haired dogs die, and only the long-haired ones are left.

2) Random mutation of a certain strain allowed it an advantage against anitbiotics (and I'm going to assert here that random mutation does not equal evolution).  For instance, a certain bacteria experiences a mutation that disables it ability to produce a substance that counters penicillin, and thus begans producing huge and uncontrolled quantities of this anti-antibiotic.  Now, penicillin can't hurt it.  On the other hand, the bacteria is now producing massive amounts of this stuff and is potentially wasting resources in the event of an absence of penicillin.

 

 

I always thought evolution happened through random mutation that was beneficial and thus made the creature more likely to pass it's genes on to the next generation...

What you described there is evolution.

 

DING DING DING

 

 

 Yes evolution is supposed to happen through random mutation.  What I mean (and is generally meant) by evolution (not that insanely broad "descent with modification" definition) is not present in my description, and to discuss what evolution is would be a huge topic, something I am not willing to start here.  So, again, I am going to assert evolution is not random mutation + natural selection, and I'll leave it at that.



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vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
lol thank god im here. first off im feel sorry for everyone that does not believe in god i feel sorry for you. second there are several different kinds of evolution, there is micro and macro. micro is that animals change in small ways too help them with problems in there enviroment that just need to change a little. macro evolution is a complete load of crap, its the one that says we(human race) change alot in there time on earth.


I DID NOT USE TOO BE A MONKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i believe that they should teach creationism in school, they should offer it along with evolutionism. the students only have too take one of the courses.

 

Two can play this game.

I'm sorry youa re so ignorant to believe in something as ridiculous as god. I'm sorry you need a crutch like that to keep your miserable life together and to bring sense to it.

Secondly, Macro evolution came from micro evolution,

Thirdly, micro and macro evolution is bullshit you just came up with. It's all evolution.

 

i guess im the only one that took 8th grade science, i learned about this stuff in um this thing called school maybe you went.



dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
lol thank god im here. first off im feel sorry for everyone that does not believe in god i feel sorry for you. second there are several different kinds of evolution, there is micro and macro. micro is that animals change in small ways too help them with problems in there enviroment that just need to change a little. macro evolution is a complete load of crap, its the one that says we(human race) change alot in there time on earth.


I DID NOT USE TOO BE A MONKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i believe that they should teach creationism in school, they should offer it along with evolutionism. the students only have too take one of the courses.

 

Two can play this game.

I'm sorry youa re so ignorant to believe in something as ridiculous as god. I'm sorry you need a crutch like that to keep your miserable life together and to bring sense to it.

Secondly, Macro evolution came from micro evolution,

Thirdly, micro and macro evolution is bullshit you just came up with. It's all evolution.

 

i guess im the only one that took 8th grade science, i learned about this stuff in um this thing called school maybe you went.

 

Obviously you went to some retarded school where they didnt teach that "macro" is just a string of "micro." Probably some christian school I guess....



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835