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Pristine20 on 26 March 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Pristine20 said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Pristine20 said:
forevercloud3000 said:
silent protaganists!!!!! THis just needs to DIE!!!!

Only 2 games in history were ever allowed to get away with this.
Chrono Trigger: becuase it was so old it cannot be faulted for it.
and
Persona 4: because the game was just that damn awesome.

Yet even with these two, they could have been better with voice acting.

 

Have you played the Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga games? Serph was an awesome silent protagonist. I think the devs like people to impose themselves on these characters. I'd rather have voices but this isn't a big issue for me.

My most annoying cliche: "teenagers saving the world"

Can we please have young adults? I guess they want to get away with immature love stories. Also, please lets have a different storyline for once. This is why I really like SMT:Noctune, DDS and DDS2

well can I at least get the option for voice acting for the main protaganist please? Anyone who rather him be silent just turn the voice off.

It just feels stupid in a day and age where the entire cast has voice acting and the main character does not.

EDIT:

And I was also talking about the mind reading Hero thing. THe co character asks the main a question.....he says nothing......but somehow the co character knew what he was thinking........STUPID!!!!

Chrono Cross, I'm looking at YOU!

 

Actually, the SMT games use this concept very well. They never ask the main a question in cutscenes and when they do ask in regular text, you get to choose his answer and none of this is voiced.

Dont get me wrong....I LOVE Persona! Ever since 3 I have deemed myself a fan.

But the silent thing needs to go. The main character is established. You dont get to decide whether its Female or Male, the designers decided that for you. So there would be no issue with putting voices along with the main character's dialogue. Yes, these games boast choices........but so does Mass Effect. Mass Effect has voice acting for whatever answer you give, so should Persona.

 

Part of it is cheapness lol. Mass Effect is a pretty expensive game especially compared to p3/p4. I personally would rather have voices but an annoying MC voice can be a real killer sometimes e.g Tidus voice pissed me off. I think this is where the decision becomes difficult for devs

 

 



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badgenome on 26 March 2009
jonnhytesta said:
about all the gay coments, western also like gay characters but they put them in their movies. 300 an troy are good examples. gays with muscles thats the western way.

That's right. Our gays can beat up your gays!



Pristine20 on 26 March 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:

The Grand List of RPG Cliches

^ Click it.

 

Even though not many of them apply to all JRPGs, that list is pretty funny



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

forevercloud3000 on 26 March 2009
Pristine20 said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Did someone say androgenous male characters?

this is wardrobe malfunction to make Janet Jackson cringe! It WOULD have been a kick ass design.......for a FEMALE CHARACTER!!!!!

magna  carta just sucked regardless of what the character design was.

I hope people who complain about androgynous males don't want muscleheads either. Variety is best with normal males being the best option. Games never seem to find the right balance.

 

 

I agree. Keep Marcus Fenix looking bastards out of my JRPG, eeeww! And I sort of liked Magna Carta for how much I played it (Story Wise) but I could no longer stand looking at Calintz or dealing with it's rediculously difficult to manage fighting system to continue any further. I returned it before I was even a quarter done with the game. I just love the art design of it all, very beautiful game, regardless of it's faults.

There are a few perfectly balanced ones out their. Persona 4's "Protaganist" is pretty good looking but cannot be mistaken for a girl.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 on 26 March 2009
badgenome said:
jonnhytesta said:
about all the gay coments, western also like gay characters but they put them in their movies. 300 an troy are good examples. gays with muscles thats the western way.

That's right. Our gays can beat up your gays!

 

LMAO QFT



      

      

      

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jonnhytesta on 26 March 2009
badgenome said:
jonnhytesta said:
about all the gay coments, western also like gay characters but they put them in their movies. 300 an troy are good examples. gays with muscles thats the western way.

That's right. Our gays can beat up your gays!


your avatar is from "broke back mountain"? just kidding

Jordahn on 26 March 2009
zexen_lowe said:
Jordahn said:
salaminizer said:
SmokedHostage said:

Bosses that you're supposed to lose to.

Androgynous Males.

Woman only using magic or bows/ranged attacks.

Someone in your party double-crossing you about halfway thru.

Love Interests that constantly need saving.

this one.

and worse, they betray you, then they come back and everyone's happy!

also, beating a boss once (in a f***ng long battle), then after the battle you see that YOU'RE almost dying and the boss(es) is(are) alright. You beat them again and this time.. they die? OH MY! HELLO BATEN KAITOS, I'M TALKING TO YOU!

Comment on Suikoden IV...

SPOILER ALERT!!

The main character's best friend (Snow) betrayed the main character.  Later, Snow was destituted and you could accept or not accept his return.  I accepted his return but refused to put the butt hole back in my party.  Got to the end of the game, but couldn't beat the final boss.  According to guides I read, it was strongly recommended to have Snow in the party so Snow and the main character could perform an effective "buddy attack."  I called bull on this one and decided to one day play through the game again with higher lever character at the final boss.  One day... One day...

I've always though that Snowe was an excellent character, very well developed with his emotions very well explained. For me, he was the best character in the (rather mediocre) Suikoden IV cast

 

I took your "advice" in hiding the spoiler.  Suikoden IV cast was rather mediocre, and there was some character development with Snowe (sorry I spelled it wrong the first time).  But he's still a butt hole.

:)



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Pristine20 on 26 March 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Pristine20 said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Did someone say androgenous male characters?

this is wardrobe malfunction to make Janet Jackson cringe! It WOULD have been a kick ass design.......for a FEMALE CHARACTER!!!!!

magna  carta just sucked regardless of what the character design was.

I hope people who complain about androgynous males don't want muscleheads either. Variety is best with normal males being the best option. Games never seem to find the right balance.

 

 

I agree. Keep Marcus Fenix looking bastards out of my JRPG, eeeww! And I sort of liked Magna Carta for how much I played it (Story Wise) but I could no longer stand looking at Calintz or dealing with it's rediculously difficult to manage fighting system to continue any further. I returned it before I was even a quarter done with the game. I just love the art design of it all, very beautiful game, regardless of it's faults.

There are a few perfectly balanced ones out their. Persona 4's "Protaganist" is pretty good looking but cannot be mistaken for a girl.

 

Magna carta's battle system and items killed me. I've played so many jRPGs but I never got the hang of that one. That's why I gave up on the game. It's sad because the opening movie was very good and the story seemed promising but you spend the most time during gameplay and I grind A LOT in my jRPGs because nothing is better than being overpowered.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Jordahn on 26 March 2009
mexitalrish said:
protagonists being incredibly young for as good as their abilities are. able to gain strength way too rapidly

 

That's what I perfer the first Suikoden over the second.  The main character in the first was in his mid twenties and was the son of a great general.  Lot's of training and maturity, very believable.  The main character in the second was sixteen year old in a junior brigade.  That's alright, but what made him to be such a great leader was "HIS EYES" as claimed by Shu, the strategist.  What.....?



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zexen_lowe on 26 March 2009
Jordahn said:
mexitalrish said:
protagonists being incredibly young for as good as their abilities are. able to gain strength way too rapidly

 

That's what I perfer the first Suikoden over the second.  The main character in the first was in his mid twenties and was the son of a great general.  Lot's of training and maturity, very believable.  The main character in the second was sixteen year old in a junior brigade.  That's alright, but what made him to be such a great leader was "HIS EYES" as claimed by Shu, the strategist.  What.....?

Don't hate me, but:

The unnamed hero of the game (named Tir McDohl in the novelization by Shinjiro Hori). He is the silent protagonist of Suikoden and 16 years old at the beginning of the game

 

He looks older though, I agree