| akuma587 said: Arguably the working class is still enslaved. |
how you figure that is?
| Tyrannical said: The US couldn't afford a NHS anyways until immigration is brought under control. |
eh? why shouldnt immigrants get healthcare? you do know that the US wouldnt exist without immingration right?
SciFiBoy said:
how you figure that is? |
Essentially you can just say it is slavery in substance without a form. Statiscally it is very unlikely that people "move up" in society simply because it is so difficult to do so. I am not saying there is any way to avoid this, but some form of "slavery" is essentially inevitable in society.
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This is factually incorrect. The federal-government-run VA Insurance Program is super awesome, was best in the country at one point and for all I know still is.
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akuma587 said:
Essentially you can just say it is slavery in substance without a form. Statiscally it is very unlikely that people "move up" in society simply because it is so difficult to do so. I am not saying there is any way to avoid this, but some form of "slavery" is essentially inevitable in society.
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oic you mean social mobility yes? surely if we treat everyone equally that will pass in time, progressive taxation and education should help with that too, theres alot that can be done to tackle it
| TheRealMafoo said: Right now, while healthcare costs are very high, they are not a drain on government. Reducing them for the american people will not bring in more dollars to washington. |
Ever hear of Medicare and Medicaid? Once the government nationalizes health care, forcing less care, setting prices, and killing any innovation in new treatments or drugs, they will keep prices lower and thus spend less overall.
As for the deficit, Obama is on course to be the most fiscally irresponsible president in history. I thought it would take him longer to surpass the irreducibly irresponsible Dubya in this regard, but he's quickly put together enough spending to literally bankrupt the nation. One can only hope that Congress can put a stop to the insanity emanating from the executive branch on budget issues (I'm not holding my breath and neither should you).
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| SciFiBoy said: use Progressive Taxation to raise more money, then make a NHS in the US, afterall healthcare is a basic human right |
Progressive taxation: Punishing people for working hard - rewarding the poor
Why some people feel health care is a "right" I'll never understand. Why do you have a right to the labor of a doctor? You don't, any more than he has the right to the fruits of your labor.
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coolestguyever said:
Progressive taxation: Punishing people for working hard - rewarding the poor |
wrong, statistics show someone on the average wage works the same hours as someone in a multi-million dollar hedge fund
| elprincipe said: Why some people feel health care is a "right" I'll never understand. Why do you have a right to the labor of a doctor? You don't, any more than he has the right to the fruits of your labor. |
they do see the fruits of your labour, they get free healthcare too paid for by everyones taxes, they also get free education for there kids and free police to protect them
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