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In his press conference, when questioned about his massive spending plan, his defense was that once we get healthcare under control, the deficit will drop.

How?

Right now, while healthcare costs are very high, they are not a drain on government. Reducing them for the american people will not bring in more dollars to washington.

My only guess is he feels that once the money is freed from families, he feels he has the right to collect those funds as taxes.

Aside from that, what's the mechanism for government to collect more money by saving individuals healthcare costs?



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use Progressive Taxation to raise more money, then make a NHS in the US, afterall healthcare is a basic human right



You are actually watching that?



Snesboy said:
You are actually watching that?

Yep. He is my president. I want to know what he has to say.

and SciFiBoy, Healthcare is not a right, it's a privilege. One people have to earn.

The right to live a life where others do no harm to you... now that's a right. Forcing someone to take care of you is something else all together.



TheRealMafoo said:
Snesboy said:
You are actually watching that?

Yep. He is my president. I want to know what he has to say.

and SciFiBoy, Healthcare is not a right, it's a privilege. One people have to earn.

The right to live a life where others do no harm to you... now that's a right. Forcing someone to take care of you is something else all together.

 

and how many millions must die for your privelige? 10m? 25m? 50m? 100m? perhaps more?

Healthcare is a right, to say otherwise is insanity, i hope you lose all your money and get a curable disease, lets see you call healthcare a privilige then?

i know several people who would be dead, thats right dead if it were not for the NHS, they couldnt have afforded private healthcare, but thanks to the NHS are still here today, you would have seen them die



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I haven't watched the speech yet, so I am just going off of what I know already.

The government spends a substantial amount of money on Medicaid and Medicare, and some money outside of that goes into other areas in the healthcare industry. And under Obama's plan and based on future projections the government will become even more involved in the healthcare system, which means they are potentially on the hook for a lot more.

The less people are having to spend going to the doctor, the less the government is having to pay out essentially.

Particularly, we need to change some of the fundamentals in our healthcare system. Here are some examples.

1. Doctors are encouraged to charge people more for things they don't really need rather than actually have their patients get better.

2. People wait to go to the doctor until their problems are out of control because they are worried about paying for the doctor. This is the equivalent of people waiting til their car breaks down to take it to the shop. It wastes the system's resources and ends up costing everyone more money. There are too many barriers to people going to the doctor before a problem starts. Congress needs to repeal legislation they have already passed that gives insurance companies an unfair advantage in revoking people's healthcare policies and arbitrarily discriminating against applicants.

So much of our healthcare system's cost go to treating diabetes alone. If we got people in ahead of time and prevented even 30% of the diabetes cases we now have, it would save the system an enormous amount of money.

3. The current healthcare system has a lot of bureaucracy. Insurance companies in particular spend a ton of money on overhead, more than the government does in countries with socialized healthcare.

4. Costs on new procedures with questionable benefits are out of control. One of the biggest drivers of cost in our healthcare system is people get all kinds of treatment they don't even need. Their doctor doesn't mind giving it to them because he gets paid more for ripping them off. The same is true for many new drugs (not all new drugs) that are really no more effective than the old drug. The patent just ran out and the pharmaceutical companies push a doctor to prescribe the drug under their new patent because they and he gets more money as a result. The patient is too dumb to know the difference and ends up paying for things he doesn't need.



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i agree with skifiboy

the NHS is brillaint. healthcare is a right and not a privelige. America should just copy the UK when it comes to healthcare



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We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Insurance companies hurt a lot of people. Many of the things they do verge on fradulent and even criminal behavior. They have lobbied for far too much unfair legislation and are completely abusing their power.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

TheRealMafoo said:
Snesboy said:
You are actually watching that?

Yep. He is my president. I want to know what he has to say.

and SciFiBoy, Healthcare is not a right, it's a privilege. One people have to earn.

The right to live a life where others do no harm to you... now that's a right. Forcing someone to take care of you is something else all together.


Just as a hypothetical, would you be against universal healthcare coverage if somebody came up with a fantastic plan that didn't have any of the supposed major flaws of other UHC plans? If it could be set up that the government had very efficient, cost effective method of offering healthcare to everyone with little to no wait time funded by a small tax on some common products (hypothetical here, not realistic), would you be against it on ideological grounds? Would you deny people healthcare if they didn't "earn" it? Simply as a hypothetical, not as a "well that's not realistic, that would never happen" ect ect. If there was great, effecient, cheap universal healthcare for everyone in america would you be angry about it because deadbeats could have get great health care the same as factory workers who could have it the same as highly educated hedge fund owners?

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