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sieanr on 05 September 2007
ceres said:
If anyone listens to obscure music and gets pissed because their favourite band misses playing any where close to them, you can thank yourself and everyone not purchasing CDs in your area. Tours are made based on areas where their CD sales are strong. Artists make most of their money on tours, but they won't touch areas where their sales are piss poor because they can't track where their albums are being illegally downloaded, they can only track actual sales.

Not true

Most lesser known acts go to areas where they know they can get a decent number of peopel to come to the show. This is usually based on the scene in that town/area and wether or not their type of music is popular in the area. Also, they will take into account fans request for performing at a particular venue and wether or not they know any other bands in the area.

Anyway, one of my favorite bands has a new album comming out soon. I intend to download the album as soon as it hits the tubes, but I have every intention of buying it from them when I go to their show in November just because they get a bigger part of the cut from the sale.

Also, Oink>all

Oh, and the new weakerthans leaked.....

 



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

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Wiitendo on 05 September 2007
ceres said:
Man, the point of views here are pretty pitiful. Sure, Brittany Spears might have a ton of money but just because a small percentage of bands make a ton of money, doesn't mean that every band is able to live off their music. I listen to plenty of bands that have to keep a day job. Over the next few months, I will easily spend about $500 on CDs and concerts. You're making a conscience decision to spend money on video games and not other items. I will not be buying some games because music is far more of a priority to me than video games.

 Post of the year. Very well put my friend. :)



famousringo on 05 September 2007
Desroko said:
famousringo said:

So many people here concerned about the artists. Fact is, most artists earn crap money off of CD sales. They make their bucks at live concerts. If you really love that band, don't buy their CD at the record store, go to the show and buy the CD at the merch table. You'll experience real talent (or perhaps lack thereof :P) and give them some real support.



This is actually the exact opposite experience of most of the bands I know, who are almost all unsigned or signed to small labels. The venues they play and the gate they charge is far too small to bring in much income. They make most of their money from CD and online sales. 


 A slice of text from The Economist:

Seven years ago musicians derived two-thirds of their income, via record labels, from pre-recorded music, with the other one-third coming from concert tours, merchandise and endorsements, according to the Music Managers Forum, a trade group in London. But today those proportions have been reversed—cutting the labels off from the industry's biggest and fastest-growing sources of revenue. Concert-ticket sales in North America alone increased from $1.7 billion in 2000 to over $3.1 billion last year, according to Pollstar, a trade magazine.


Now, I'm not trying to necessarily say that you're wrong. I would suggest that the main reason why the bands you know make more money off of CDs and online sales is because they have a better deal with their self-publication or small label than they would get with a major label. They probably get a bigger slice than the dollar or so per CD that artists on major labels get, and probably can't charge as much for a show as a more famous artist on a major label can. Different markets just have different business plans, I guess.



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sieanr on 05 September 2007
famousringo said:
Desroko said:
famousringo said:

So many people here concerned about the artists. Fact is, most artists earn crap money off of CD sales. They make their bucks at live concerts. If you really love that band, don't buy their CD at the record store, go to the show and buy the CD at the merch table. You'll experience real talent (or perhaps lack thereof :P) and give them some real support.



This is actually the exact opposite experience of most of the bands I know, who are almost all unsigned or signed to small labels. The venues they play and the gate they charge is far too small to bring in much income. They make most of their money from CD and online sales. 


 A slice of text from The Economist:

Seven years ago musicians derived two-thirds of their income, via record labels, from pre-recorded music, with the other one-third coming from concert tours, merchandise and endorsements, according to the Music Managers Forum, a trade group in London. But today those proportions have been reversed—cutting the labels off from the industry's biggest and fastest-growing sources of revenue. Concert-ticket sales in North America alone increased from $1.7 billion in 2000 to over $3.1 billion last year, according to Pollstar, a trade magazine.


Now, I'm not trying to necessarily say that you're wrong. I would suggest that the main reason why the bands you know make more money off of CDs and online sales is because they have a better deal with their self-publication or small label than they would get with a major label. They probably get a bigger slice than the dollar or so per CD that artists on major labels get, and probably can't charge as much for a show as a more famous artist on a major label can. Different markets just have different business plans, I guess.


Thats absoloutly true.

With self-released albums all the money goes to the band. Smaller labels are generally pretty goos about letting the band in on the profit. 

For example, one and I know has their music up on itunes and makes $6 for every record sale. Comparitivly speaking this is quite a large part of the cut.


Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

Avalach21 on 05 September 2007
Wiitendo said:
ceres said:
Man, the point of views here are pretty pitiful. Sure, Brittany Spears might have a ton of money but just because a small percentage of bands make a ton of money, doesn't mean that every band is able to live off their music. I listen to plenty of bands that have to keep a day job. Over the next few months, I will easily spend about $500 on CDs and concerts. You're making a conscience decision to spend money on video games and not other items. I will not be buying some games because music is far more of a priority to me than video games.

Post of the year. Very well put my friend. :)


 OMMG.... they have too... they have too.. work?   They have to have a... DAY JOB??

 

The TRAGEDY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Music is the greatest passion of my life.  I love writing and playing music.  I am currently attending college majoring in computer science (and minoring in music).  I have about 4 hours of class a day.  I then go to work for 6-8 hours.  After work, my friend(s) come over and we write music.  I love writing music.  I love playing music.   I love listening to music.  It is a HOBBY and a PASSION.  It is not a JOB.  It should not replace a JOB.

 

 

And in this day and age, Record labels are an unnecessary entity inbetween the Band and the Fanbase.  Bands no longer require a Record label to publicize them.  We have the internet.  We have P2P sharing.  We have, dar I say it, Myspace.  We don't need the Record Labels.  They should not exist.

 

 

Btw we have about 40 minutes of music written.  We are finishing up a couple more songs, and then we are going to record it all.    If any of you are into anything like Mogwai, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Do Make Say Think, or even something like Sigur Ros, you would probobly like the stuff we write.  I'll make a torrent of the songs when we are done, and you all can download it!  Probobly put up a myspace page or whatever too.



Here's a video from my band's last show Check out more (bigger) videos here http://www.youtube.com/user/icemanout
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Wiitendo on 06 September 2007

lots of views, nice. STOP ILLEGAL DOWNLOAD! GO LEGIT! SUPPORT YOUR ARTIST!!



z64dan on 07 September 2007
dallas said:

That said kenobi, I'm in the middle about this whole music downloading stuff.  Sure, its bringing a lot of music companies down - sony included- but the music companies are just going to have to learn to deal with the new technology and adapt with it. 


The music companies realise: "Oh crap, we can't release a $15 CD with only 2 good songs on it anymore! Dangit!" It took them like 10 years of MP3 downloads to finally start offering downloadable MP3s that you can PURCHASE.



z64dan on 07 September 2007
fooflexible said:
 We call downloading a song illegal and "stealing" but we don't call it stealing when a resturant plays that purchased song. Just because they have it doesn't mean they own the right to use it in any fashion, we've been entrusted to use it only to the means in which our limited license allows us too, which quite often makes these industries seem petty and is in essence encouraging the illegal activity on the net today.

I think alot of people see the legitimite CD purchases as not really profiting the artist anyway. Most of the money goes to old white guys who run the recording labels.



Wiitendo on 07 September 2007

Bump.



footbag on 07 September 2007

Ever cut out a newspaper article to show it to someone at say school or work? Thats illegal.