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jonnhytesta on 24 March 2009

wrpgs mature interesting stories??? where?? name one.



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Riachu on 24 March 2009
Rainbird said:
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
I commend the writer of this article, and any JRPG developer who will be brave enough to take his advice!

Bravo!

The good news is that there is a JRPG developer that has more or less done that already.  I believe they are called Atlus.  You might have heard of them due to the recent cult hit status of the Persona series.  Now it is just a matter of the big JRPG developers following suit.

Oh, nice. I was never really into JRPGs before, but since I'm getting a PSP later this year, I was thinking of trying the Persona remake they are making

You should try either Persona 3 or 4 while you're at it since you seem to have neither according to your profile

@emilie autumn

In that case, your previous statement did have some truth in it.

 



 

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Riachu on 24 March 2009
jonnhytesta said:
wrpgs mature interesting stories??? where?? name one.

I never played it but I heard nothing but good things about Planescape: Torment's story.  Also, from what I've played, Mass Effect has a good story.

 



 

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Riachu on 24 March 2009
RolStoppable said:

But somewhere along the way things went wrong. Subsequent Final Fantasy titles would sell less and less with the most recent Final Fantasy XII only selling 1.5 million copies in North America. A highly respectable amount by any measure, but a far cry from the glory days of the 32-bit era. And now in the HD gaming era it has been once again relegated to niche status with big budget titles like The Last Remnant, Star Ocean IV, Valkyria Chronicles and Infinite Undiscovery all selling in the meagre 100,000 unit range according to NPD.  Only on the handheld systems can you find any jRPG success stories. So what happened?

I stopped reading after this paragraph, so someone correct me if he mentioned it later on.

The simplest answer is that the vast majority of JRPGs has traditionally been on the best selling system in Japan which also happened to be the most popular system worldwide. As he writes in the paragraph I quoted above, there are still success stories for JRPGs found on the handhelds which isn't too surprising, considering their popularity in Japan and worldwide. This generation the big JRPGs haven't been released for the best selling console yet.

So the solution I would suggest over all others would be to make JRPGs for the Wii if they don't go to the handhelds.

That's the currect argument at this point.  Arc Rise Fantasia is suppose to be a (relatively) big one

 



 

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Rainbird on 24 March 2009
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
I commend the writer of this article, and any JRPG developer who will be brave enough to take his advice!

Bravo!

The good news is that there is a JRPG developer that has more or less done that already.  I believe they are called Atlus.  You might have heard of them due to the recent cult hit status of the Persona series.  Now it is just a matter of the big JRPG developers following suit.

Oh, nice. I was never really into JRPGs before, but since I'm getting a PSP later this year, I was thinking of trying the Persona remake they are making

You should try either Persona 3 or 4 while you're at it since you seem to have neither according to your profile

@emilie autumn

In that case, your previous statement did have some truth in it.

Except I don't own a PS2 though >.>



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jonnhytesta on 24 March 2009
Riachu said:
jonnhytesta said:
wrpgs mature interesting stories??? where?? name one.

I never played it but I heard nothing but good things about Planescape: Torment's story.  Also, from what I've played, Mass Effect has a good story.

 


it is a star trek ripoff with the catfish embassador from omikron persei 8 , the lizard/jedi warrior, etc . it looks like a futurama bad episode. i prefer to read arthur clarke, asimov, etc. thats real scfi

Riachu on 24 March 2009
Rainbird said:
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
I commend the writer of this article, and any JRPG developer who will be brave enough to take his advice!

Bravo!

The good news is that there is a JRPG developer that has more or less done that already.  I believe they are called Atlus.  You might have heard of them due to the recent cult hit status of the Persona series.  Now it is just a matter of the big JRPG developers following suit.

Oh, nice. I was never really into JRPGs before, but since I'm getting a PSP later this year, I was thinking of trying the Persona remake they are making

You should try either Persona 3 or 4 while you're at it since you seem to have neither according to your profile

@emilie autumn

In that case, your previous statement did have some truth in it.

Except I don't own a PS2 though >.>

Well, you seem to have a PS3 so just play one or the other on that.  Let me guess, your PS3 is not BC with PS2 games.

 



 

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Rainbird on 24 March 2009
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
Riachu said:
Rainbird said:
I commend the writer of this article, and any JRPG developer who will be brave enough to take his advice!

Bravo!

The good news is that there is a JRPG developer that has more or less done that already.  I believe they are called Atlus.  You might have heard of them due to the recent cult hit status of the Persona series.  Now it is just a matter of the big JRPG developers following suit.

Oh, nice. I was never really into JRPGs before, but since I'm getting a PSP later this year, I was thinking of trying the Persona remake they are making

You should try either Persona 3 or 4 while you're at it since you seem to have neither according to your profile

@emilie autumn

In that case, your previous statement did have some truth in it.

Except I don't own a PS2 though >.>

Well, you seem to have a PS3 so just play one or the other on that.  Let me guess, your PS3 is not BC with PS2 games.

Exactly. And I'm not buying a PS2 just yet



Pristine20 on 24 March 2009

Good article. however, I think the problem with the freedom to create a character is that stories tend to seem somewhat conforming (I don't know how to explain this). I kinda prefer the "understand the character you're given" method

secondly, I think one of the reasons jRPGs were popular in the west was that they brought something different. If they evolve to become like WRPGs, they may be left further behind because there's a reason wRPGS can't sell in JP either but we've gotten used to the Japanese style.

S-E's strategy is the best example of this. How has their western strategy helped? I think is better to just do what you do best and people will appreciate it. Create the best game you can instead of worrying about selling it to the west IMO.

A good analogy is probably how when you go on dates as a guy you're advised to "be yourself". I think what this means is you should bring out the best in you instead of trying to pose as someone else because girls would always see through it. The same rule applies to jRPG devs and their customers IMO but I could be wrong. I do know that if JP started making generic fable-like games I'd rather buy the original and save money by skipping the rest.



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The Anarchyz on 24 March 2009
Riachu said:
emilie autumn said:
the first lines lost me, JRPGs were bigger in the 16bit era than in any time, saying that the genre exploded into mainstream when FFVII was released is not accurate.

In was still niche in the West in the 16-but era.  In Japan, JRPGs were mainstream since the original Dragon Quest.  Heck, Dragon Quest invented the sub genre which is partially why Japanese gamers are so loyal to the series in the first place.

 

 

Exactly, in Japan Dragon Quest started the trend (and that was in the 8-bit era), but in the West the genre was so niche that 3 Dragon Quest games and 3 Final Fantasy games didn't make it here, IV and VI even got renumbered to II and III to give them continuity... When Sony made the deal with Square, one of the points was to make Final Fantasy VII popular as hell in the West, when that happened the entire JRPG genre exploded here...