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I'm glad this was brought to attention though I wish it was done much earlier. I have the first gen 360 and before it RRoD on me (twice) it scratched two of my games to render them useless. The newer models don't have this problem though.

Microsoft Xbox 360 - scratched discs

When it was launched in 2005, Microsoft boss Bill Gates called it the Ferrari of games consoles. Since then Microsoft has sold 28 million Xbox 360 consoles worldwide, but the console hasn't always had a smooth ride.

In 2007, Watchdog reported on a problem which seemed to plague thousands of Xbox 360 owners - the infamous 'Red Ring of Death' - whereby a console would be rendered unable to function.

We thought that this was the only issue that Xbox 360 owners were encountering, but it appears we were wrong. We've had complaints from many of our viewers telling us there's another serious problem with the Xbox 360s, one that doesn't affect the console but could destroy the games you've paid a hefty wad of cash for.

What's worse, many of you have told us that Microsoft won't accept responsibility and in fact say it's your fault, not theirs.

Michael Mowatt, 13, is a devoted fan of the Xbox 360. His mum, Rachel, bought him the console to play when the weather was bad; but in order to buy his games, Michael has to save his pocket money.

Michael's neighbour keeps several racing pigeons in a coup in his garden and, in order to earn his pocket money for his games, Michael visits three times a week to clean out the pigeons - poo and all.

It took Michael two months to save enough money for two games and he was excited to get started on them straight away. But after just a couple of weeks of playing his new games discs, Michael heard a strange grinding noise coming from the Xbox 360.

Large scratch around the disc
The action on screen came to a halt and when the disc was examined there was a large circular scratch around the disc. Rachel thought that Michael had perhaps done something to it and told him off for misusing the console.

A few days later the very same thing happened to another of Michael's discs. This time Rachel knew something was wrong. Rachel called Microsoft who refused to cover the costs of replacing the games. The Xbox 360 was still in warranty so Microsoft did take the console away to be looked at, but it still refused to acknowledge responsibility and said it was Michael's fault the discs had ended up scratched. It said that he must have moved the console while playing. Michael resents this claim as he worked so hard to save for the games and is confident he hadn't touched the console at all while it was loading.

Microsoft blamed the family
Michael's Xbox 360 isn't the only case where the family have been blamed. The Monaghans are a family of seven - mum, dad and five daughters. Dad, Robert, wanted an activity the whole family could enjoy and so he decided to buy an Xbox 360 along with the game Rock Band.

The family enjoyed playing together, until only a few weeks later when the music came to a sudden stop. The console was displaying a disc read error and, when inspected, they found a large circular scratch along the surface of the disc. Robert wasn't pleased and thought the girls had done something wrong, so he put the Xbox away as a punishment.

When the Monaghan's eldest daughter, Alana, turned 11 they decided to buy a new game and put the family band back together. This time they bought Guitar Hero: World Tour but after only an hour and half of play they discovered the disc had been scratched and ruined again. This time Robert knew it wasn't his daughters and he called Microsoft.

Again Microsoft denied responsibility, telling the family it was their fault and that they'd not be replacing the games. The family were furious and adamant that the console had not been touched while the game was playing. The Xbox was taken away to be looked at and the Monaghan's were left without their console.

Complaints also extend outside the UK
This problem isn't restricted to the UK either. The EU's Consumer Commissioner has written to Microsoft twice, asking why she's receiving so many complaints about the Xbox 360. Further still, in the United States, lawyers are organising a class action against the company.

The law firm believes that Microsoft's stance, that Xbox 360 owners are cavalierly throwing their consoles around the room, doesn't make sense. It has spoken to a number of people who have insisted they didn't move the console at all.

We decided to set up an experiment with two Xboxes, a brand new console and one that we knew had already caused a scratch. We placed them both on level, stable surfaces. We arranged vases of water to indicate any movements, sealed off a secure space and inserted brand new games. Watchdog researchers then played solidly for six hours a day for three days, with neither Xbox being moved once.

After three days, the team hadn't had a single scratch. The conditions, however, weren't exactly what you'd find in an average teenager's bedroom, so we decided to take the test a little further and this time the result was quite different.

Boxes subjected to simulated vibrations
We sent the same Xbox 360s to a lab in Hampshire, where special testing equipment replicated the vibrations you'd find in a typical home. The first test simulated walking and caused the consoles no problem at all. Then the boxes were subjected to shock vibration testing, which simulated vibrations equivalent to that of someone putting a book down on the table near the Xbox. The newer console passed with flying colours; however, the older console caused a scratch similar to those experienced by the previous owner.

Our testers told us that the console had failed "very, very quickly" and that these are the kinds of vibrations you'd expect any household to have - particularly when playing games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero that encourage you to get physically involved.

Microsoft unwilling to admit there's a problem
The US lawyers have had similar test results to Watchdog's and they're likely to be a key part of their case against Microsoft. In the meantime, it seems Microsoft is unwilling to admit there's any such problem with the consoles.

When we contacted Microsoft it said the following: "Microsoft works hard to make certain that consumers in the United Kingdom clearly understand the quality and value which Microsoft provides including Xbox 360. We're committed to building consumer confidence by listening to our Xbox community and stand behind our products and services. The vast majority of Xbox 360 customers enjoy an excellent gaming and entertainment experience right out of the box.

"Microsoft reaffirms its longstanding position that it's not been able to ascertain any defect in the Xbox 360 console that causes concentric gouges (that is, 'scratching') on discs when a console is in a stationary position. Indeed, despite extensive testing and examination under static operating conditions, Microsoft has never been able to reproduce the concentric gouge that causes disc readability problems or find any such defect in consoles returned by consumers for examination. It's only with the movement of a console that such 'disc scratching' may occur. Consequently, Microsoft provides notices on the Xbox 360 console itself, in the user manual, and on its website - warning consumers not to move the console with a disc in it while in use.

"A very small fraction of our customers have contacted us about disc scratching. For those customers, Microsoft offers online support tools and call-in centre support and we encourage consumers to contact us online at:

http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/support/contact/">xbox.com or by telephone on 0800 587 1102.

"Customers can send their consoles to Microsoft for further examination and repair, if required.

"Microsoft is committed to fully support its customers and honour its warranty obligations, but simply cannot replicate the disc scratching problem that's been alleged with the console in a stationary position."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2009/03/xbox_360.html



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I actually got something inside the disc drive when I got my console, you cannot avoid looking at that on newer consoles. Basically don't go near the box when it is running, there is no chance of mine getting disrupted when in use



I think it is shocking that MS are not addressing this problem with the action required! I know that if i got a 360 (which is possible) and the disks got scratched while the console was not being moved then i would be less than impressed and demand them to be replaced since it was the faulty console's fault!

With all these problems i find it surprising that the console is still selling so well...



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It only scratches discs if you shake your console, stop shaking your console.



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Matt247,

The newer consoles don't scratch the discs when there is slight movement cause they've rectified this problem that Microsoft won't admit to but the older 360's (like mine) scratched the hell out of the discs with just everyday movement like walking, putting a book down near it etc. I've never experienced this kind of problem before ever. Not with the original Xbox (which was very well made) or any disc based console. Glad PC's arn't so fragile.



matt247 said:
It only scratches discs if you shake your console, stop shaking your console.

No, it also happens if you have your 360 standing vertically on laminate flooring and happen to walk within a metre of it. the vibration it picks up from the hard floor is apparently enough to upset the delicate mass of gyroscopes and pulleys inside the thing. Fucker trashed a perfectly good copy of Dead Rising.

 



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Was this dug up from 2006?



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Tyrannical said:
Was this dug up from 2006?

 

 nope, was on bbc one (main channel in UK if you dont know) last night 23.3.09 so this is still an occurence. There must be something wrong with older xbox 360, mayb microsoft should have something in place for them similar to rrod warranty. Good to see the the first family aren't fanboys lol. They've got all 3 consoles.



Badassbab said:
Matt247,

The newer consoles don't scratch the discs when there is slight movement cause they've rectified this problem that Microsoft won't admit to but the older 360's (like mine) scratched the hell out of the discs with just everyday movement like walking, putting a book down near it etc. I've never experienced this kind of problem before ever. Not with the original Xbox (which was very well made) or any disc based console. Glad PC's arn't so fragile.

 

This is only due to the fact they are using newer disc drives. They still selected the wrong disc drives to use period. Nintendo and Sony have proper drives making it so that discs cant be scratched even with massive movement.



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