@Demotruk
So the thread was about debunking "the Wii doesn't sell quality games" and you want to turn it into "Wii's third party games suck when compared to PS3 and 360"? :) Good luck with that.

It's better to sell it in 1 month. Chances are that the game will then be at full price the entire time, whereas the chances are that won't be the case with the other game.

I didn't say they sucked. I said they aren't particularly strong efforts. Nobody, aside from small publishers and of course Nintendo, has put their first string teams on the Wii yet. They have all put poor to fairly good efforts, and we see a range of success from that. Even the fans of CoD5 on Wii here will not try to say it was a stronger effort on the Wii than on the PS360. It was quite good, and it sold I believe because it was good, Shaun White and Guitar Hero sold excellently on Wii compared to their PS360 versions, but nobody is mentioning them yet. RE:UC is a pretty good spin off, but who would argue that it's the kind of effort that RE4 or RE5 were? Of course, that still sold pretty well.

The really strong efforts get dismissed because they're from Nintendo, the pretty good efforts get "but it didn't sell nearly as well as the HD version" even though some have done better, and the poor efforts (and niche games that may or may not do well for what they are) get "third party core games don't sell on Wii!".

Ok lets see top 20 in metacritic:

Now from vgchartz according to sales:

1		Wii Sports		Nintendo	72,649	N/A	44.10m	24th Sep 08
2		Wii Play		Nintendo	38,469	N/A	22.54m	27th Feb 09
3		Wii Fit		Nintendo	94,651	N/A	17.23m	24th Sep 08
4		Mario Kart Wii		Nintendo	205,155	8.7	15.03m	20th Aug 08
5		Super Smash Bros. Brawl		Nintendo	305,305	9.2	8.44m	05th Mar 09
6		Super Mario Galaxy		Nintendo	416,155	9.6	7.91m	17th Nov 08
7		Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games		Sega	22,813	N/A	6.93m	22nd Feb 09
8		Mario Party 8		Nintendo	28,536	N/A	6.39m	01st Feb 08
9		The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess		Nintendo	82,387	N/A	5.24m	09th Jan 09
10		Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock		RedOctane	32,802	N/A	4.10m	05th Feb 09
11		Link's Crossbow Training		Nintendo	17,545	6.9	3.79m	07th Oct 08
12		Carnival Games		Global Star	15,191	N/A	3.19m	08th Mar 08
13		Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree		Nintendo	11,286	N/A	3.09m	21st Oct 08
14		Animal Crossing: City Folk		Nintendo	8,810	N/A	2.84m	16th Nov 08
15		Super Paper Mario		Nintendo	19,091	N/A	2.74m	26th Oct 08
16		Guitar Hero: World Tour		Activision	2,932	N/A	2.63m	28th Jan 09
17		Wii Music		Nintendo	5,959	N/A	2.40m	24th Sep 08
18		Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga		LucasArts	12,952	N/A	2.24m	02nd Mar 08
19		WarioWare: Smooth Moves		Nintendo	8,238	N/A	2.22m	24th Feb 09
20		Sonic and the Secret Rings		Sega	15,205	N/A	2.02m	20th Jan 09

First, take a look at how many titles in top 20 are Nintendos?

While for example Mario Galaxy has sod great and has metacritic at 97, it is to be expected since its Mario.

Lets take a few.

Mario and the sonic at olympics:

Metacritic:67

6.93m

Sonic and the Secret rings:

2.02m

Metacritic:69

 Carnival games:
3.19m

Metacritic:56

Simulacrum said: Ok lets see top 20 in metacritic: 1 Super Mario Galaxy 2007 97 2 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The 2006 95 3 World of Goo 2008 94 4 Super Smash Bros. Brawl 2008 93 5 Rock Band 2 2008 92 6 Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition 2007 91 7 Okami 2008 90 8 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption 2007 90 9 Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure 2007 87 10 Bomberman Blast 2008 86 11 Guitar Hero World Tour 2008 86 12 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 2007 86 13 Tetris Party 2008 86 14 Super Paper Mario 2007 85 15 MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade 2008 85 16 Boom Blox 2008 85 17 MadWorld 2009 83 18 No More Heroes 2008 83 19 MLB Power Pros 2007 83 20 Mega Man 9 Now from vgchartz according to sales: 1 Wii Sports Nintendo 72,649 N/A 44.10m 24th Sep 08 2 Wii Play Nintendo 38,469 N/A 22.54m 27th Feb 09 3 Wii Fit Nintendo 94,651 N/A 17.23m 24th Sep 08 4 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 205,155 8.7 15.03m 20th Aug 08 5 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Nintendo 305,305 9.2 8.44m 05th Mar 09 6 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 416,155 9.6 7.91m 17th Nov 08 7 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Sega 22,813 N/A 6.93m 22nd Feb 09 8 Mario Party 8 Nintendo 28,536 N/A 6.39m 01st Feb 08 9 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Nintendo 82,387 N/A 5.24m 09th Jan 09 10 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock RedOctane 32,802 N/A 4.10m 05th Feb 09 11 Link's Crossbow Training Nintendo 17,545 6.9 3.79m 07th Oct 08 12 Carnival Games Global Star 15,191 N/A 3.19m 08th Mar 08 13 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree Nintendo 11,286 N/A 3.09m 21st Oct 08 14 Animal Crossing: City Folk Nintendo 8,810 N/A 2.84m 16th Nov 08 15 Super Paper Mario Nintendo 19,091 N/A 2.74m 26th Oct 08 16 Guitar Hero: World Tour Activision 2,932 N/A 2.63m 28th Jan 09 17 Wii Music Nintendo 5,959 N/A 2.40m 24th Sep 08 18 Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga LucasArts 12,952 N/A 2.24m 02nd Mar 08 19 WarioWare: Smooth Moves Nintendo 8,238 N/A 2.22m 24th Feb 09 20 Sonic and the Secret Rings Sega 15,205 N/A 2.02m 20th Jan 09 First, take a look at how many titles in top 20 are Nintendos? While for example Mario Galaxy has sod great and has metacritic at 97, it is to be expected since its Mario. Lets take a few. Mario and the sonic at olympics: Metacritic:67 6.93m Sonic and the Secret rings: 2.02m Metacritic:69  Carnival games: 3.19m Metacritic:56

 Mario & Sonic is excluded because it has Mario in the title.

Sonic and the Secret rings is excluded because Sonic has been in a game together with mario, thus biasing reviewers.

Carnival games isn't a game. This thread is about games, go away with you and your non-games.

Simulacrum, what is it that your post is proving? That games that do poorly on metacritic can do well in sales? That not all games that do well on metacritic are commercial successes?

Ok, those are things we all know and accept. The only difference between you and me is that I don't think those are bad games, just games that got reviewed
by a media that caters to a specific audience.

You won't bring Okami into this, that's interesting. Why not, because you already know that highly critically received games can flop on other consoles, such as the highly successful PS2?

Yep too bad for Okami.But Wii don't have that many quality titles as PS2 had.
Wii just don't have that many 80+ titles that you can say cleary.

I don't think No More Heroes is niche. What would make it niche? It seems to have many of the same qualities that make for the reason that many people enjoy Tarantino films and GTA games, and Tarantino's aren't considered to be movies that have only niche appeal and GTA, for its part, is one of the best selling game series of all time. On the 360, with all the hype OXM can give and all the advertising that would have been done for NMH during key tv programs like Monday Night Raw if it was a 360 game, No More Heroes would have sold 4 or 5 millions copies instead of 500,000. It has it all a cool lead character a beautiful new heroine great action. It would have made for a big 360 game as I said. And when the PS3 has an install base half as large as the Wii's there's no reason Uncharted should do close to 3 million while NMH does 500,000. The only reason would be if the Wii's primary audience is made up of the types of people that Nintendo fans don't like for us to say that it is.

Same with Madworld and House of the Dead both would have been over a million on 360 while they're going to be lucky to get more than 500,000 in the next year on the Wii.

I can understand how Okami can be too artistic of a vision for its sales own good.

I hope the Conduit does some good numbers or it could be a long drought for us other types of gamers on Wii until Nintendo feels obligated to bring out the next Mario and Zelda.

I also hope many of the best jrpgs they are going to have come over here and don't get unnecessarily slammed by certain sites with a lot of weight behind their review numbers.