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naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
For the record people were defending Boogie if I remember correctly...

Not to mention that some people mention Red Steal and how fun and whatnot it was but its rating on gamerankings is only about 5% better than Lair.

Also I recommend people to check out the game informer reviews of Lair, the majority of big reviews gave Lair low reviews but not all of them.

I still haven't played the game so I can't rate it, but I'm probably getting it tomorrow along with Blue Dragon so I'll see what I think of the game when I eventually get to play it (playing a bunch of other games before that).

I agree to an extent that there are always people who will like a game, regardless of reviews, but that doesn't mean you should attack every review source known to man... I don't know of any Red Steel players who disagree with the reviews or attack the sources. They just say that they like the game regardless. The point of the article is that people should praise reviewers for being honest enough to review a big game low, rather than attack them for it.


I agree with that.  I wish they'd do it more often.  There are plenty of games I love that get low ratings but I don't attack the reviewers because of it.  (Aside from statistically proven bias.)
 

For example Colosseum: Road to Freedom is an amazing fun addictive game.  It has a Metacritic review score of 56.  Which according to some people is analagous to punching a baby.  Not only that but i can actually see alot of the flaws in the game and know why it could get a low review.  It still doesn't lessen my enjoyment of it and i'd still suggest it to anybody i know who's looking for a good simple game you can pick up anytime.

There are precious and few gaming moments on the 50+ PS2 games I have that are more fun then beating down some heavily armored gladiators with my characters bare hands in the striker stance.

There is a big difference between attacking reviews and calling people bias fanboys when the stats show the opposite or saying things like well they must just suck at playing games (Like it's possible to suck at games and be a game reviewer.) and just saying "I disagree, despite it's flaws I find it very enjoyable."



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Here's my take on the game. It's not a review so much as a rant about the game.

http://www.theancientgamer.com/index.php?/site/comments/review_lair_followup_ps3/

I really, really don't like this game. Which is sad because I really wanted it to be good.




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stof said:
Not cool rocketpig. Murder she wrote was a good show!

Interested in a copy of Lair?

:P




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Not cool rocketpig. Murder she wrote was a good show!

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rocketpig said:
Here's my take on the game. It's not a review so much as a rant about the game.

http://www.theancientgamer.com/index.php?/site/comments/review_lair_followup_ps3/

I really, really don't like this game. Which is sad because I really wanted it to be good.

Wow priceless :)

Sounds like 4.9 was being generous. I also find it REALLY hard to believe that Sony approved this. Hopefully they will cut the marketing budget back to zero.

LAIR actually poses a real problem, in that people *may* consider it representative of high-budget, high-profile, PS3 titles - published by Sony - to come in the future. Sony should have canned this completely. I believe both MS and Ninty would have.

Imagine if MS run a campaign advertising LAIR for the PS3... something like "Buy a PS3 --> play LAIR. Buy a 360 --> play Bioshock. The choice is yours!"

 

 



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shams said:
rocketpig said:
Here's my take on the game. It's not a review so much as a rant about the game.

http://www.theancientgamer.com/index.php?/site/comments/review_lair_followup_ps3/

I really, really don't like this game. Which is sad because I really wanted it to be good.

Wow priceless :)

Sounds like 4.9 was being generous. I also find it REALLY hard to believe that Sony approved this. Hopefully they will cut the marketing budget back to zero.

LAIR actually poses a real problem, in that people *may* consider it representative of high-budget, high-profile, PS3 titles - published by Sony - to come in the future. Sony should have canned this completely. I believe both MS and Ninty would have.

Imagine if MS run a campaign advertising LAIR for the PS3... something like "Buy a PS3 --> play LAIR. Buy a 360 --> play Bioshock. The choice is yours!"


Honestly, I wonder how many of my problems were due to terrible 1080i compatability. I know that in 480i, a few of the problems went away. I also know that in 1080p, the game plays like trash. I wonder if some of the good reviews (that aren't on fanboy sites) are being played on 720p. 




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shams said:
rocketpig said:
Here's my take on the game. It's not a review so much as a rant about the game.

http://www.theancientgamer.com/index.php?/site/comments/review_lair_followup_ps3/

I really, really don't like this game. Which is sad because I really wanted it to be good.

Wow priceless :)

Sounds like 4.9 was being generous. I also find it REALLY hard to believe that Sony approved this. Hopefully they will cut the marketing budget back to zero.

LAIR actually poses a real problem, in that people *may* consider it representative of high-budget, high-profile, PS3 titles - published by Sony - to come in the future. Sony should have canned this completely. I believe both MS and Ninty would have.

Imagine if MS run a campaign advertising LAIR for the PS3... something like "Buy a PS3 --> play LAIR. Buy a 360 --> play Bioshock. The choice is yours!"

 

 


 I don't know if I buy that, people who own a PS3 have most likely been playing games for quite a while and I seriously doubt they are unfamiliar with the difference between a bad game and games in general.  



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I haven't played this game, and never will but it seems rather unanymous the game is quite lacking. I can't help but sympahize with Tycho in many of this thoughts on the matter including his insight into those who will try and take pride in their ability to actually play the game with any enjoyment or how IGN, who was previous seen as Sony's bitch is and apparently always has had a Sony bias according to livid Lair fanboys.

The problem with Lair is that it was so hyped, that this blind faith in a would-be launch title that couldn't even be saved an additional year of work has not only put the spectacle of high-end HD game under increased scrutiny from gamers more and more tempted by the graphically modest approach of Nintendo but has cast an even darker light on the so-far mediocre PS3 line-up with a game that was just flat out bad.

I certainly hope those who have reserved or have already purchased the game and are unable to undo the cruel fate dealt them will somehow find a way to enjoy Lair, but I can honestly say I would not want to be in their shoes right now, out of sixty bucks and with this game in my library.

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factor unless you're looking to make a correlation between the PS3 and the phenomenon of lapsed gamers. 



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