While I think Brawl is fine the way it is (save for GnW but that's because I play Peach and GnW rapes Peach), I think I'll give this Brawl+ a try. Just because I'm curious to see what the fuss is all about.

@SHMUPGurus: Zelda, Pit and Bowser are so not overpowered in Brawl. :P

Nice! I'm glad someone is finally interested in trying this new mod, after a whole page of uninteresting blablabla from my part that is!

Oh, and about Zelda, Pit and Bowser... Apparently, I'm stuck in the first few months' metagame! @_@

I don't understand how it could change after a few months though. I doubt people found new exploits to make the game "faster" and everything.

Well DeDeDe can infinite throw Bowser, that wasn't known at first. Zelda is really annoying when you don't know her moves but when you do all you have to do is bait and punish. I don't face that many Pits so I can't really comment on him.

As for exploits or ATs. There were tons discovered since the first few months. I'll talk Peach since that's who I know best:

At first people put her down as a horrible character because she wasn't like her Melee counterpart but then people discovered glide tossing, down-air combos, free turnip pulling, b-air lock, turnip cancel and now Peach is considered mid-tier.

Now, if they could somehow make it's online qualities better and faster then original Brawl I'd actually be interested.

I didn't realize that Action Quake 2 and Team Fortress were the definitive versions of their respective games (hint: they weren't).

Anyway, I probably won't be trying this, since I lack (access to) a copy of Twilight Princess, and 60 euros is way too steep for a chance to play a mod clearly geared for st- er, competitives only. Besides, most of my friends have trouble keeping up with Brawls pace - what kind of chance would they have with this?

@ SuperDave: I wouldn't try it to be honest. Nintendo might think Brawl+ is a cheat or something and ban your Wii from going on the Internet.

@ TruckOSaurus: Whoa, I can't believe people thought she was worse in Brawl. I thought it was the other way around! Sure, her forward throw isn't better, but all her moves hit hard now. Her forward+B actually has some use now! Glide tossing and turnip cancel look interesting. As long as you can jump+no direction+A like in Melee, combo-ing always went smoothly when I played her.

@SHMUPGurus: Back then people only saw the severely reduced second jump, the nerfed D-Smash, nerfed F-Throw and reduced Turnip endurance (they disappear quicker).

I suppose it looks interesting... I did notice it also includes character specific changes, such as not switching pokemon on death with PT and infinite stamina for the pokemon.

Few videos I saw of Dedede look like his playstyle has changed very little aside from the fact that a few more characters are now chaingrab immune. I suppose I might try it... little wary about trying online with it though since Nintendo seems to be banning any kind of hacks from online recently.

Biggest problem I can see with this is Meta Knight. Meta Knights scary without hit stun... with hit stun >.> I can't imagine things having a chance against him if he even taps them once.

I know I said it before, but you can still play the original Brawl after installing the Homebrew Channel, Opera OS and the codeset. Just play directly on the Disc Channel.

So, if you guys really want to play a laggy fighting game online, you still can. Sticking with Brawl+ with friends and sticking with Brawl for online is a good combo.

I really lol'd when I saw people talking about balance in Brawl.. Seriously. Theres no balance in Brawl. You rarely see players using mid tier or below characters get far in MLG pro tournaments. If you guys ever see a player win with the current meta using Captain Falcon, post vids or didnt happen.

I've been playing Brawl+ since last week and I'm participating and helping the Brawl+ community since. It's just way better than vBrawl imo. Most of melee's best players are now playing this (TheCape, Ken, and such) and they enjoy it more than Brawl.

EDIT: Brawl is all about Metaknight